Discussion: Drifting

I was off course for several of the early controls and I couldn't make sense of some of the yellow out there. 4-5 on the H4 was supposed to be totally in yellow but I was going through trees.

#7 I agree with you, the description says 2m boulder but it was on a rock cluster that was lower than my waist! The 2m boulder was further north, where I was dicking around for a bit. I had the same control on the H2 and overshot it for a second time (approach from the SE instead of the SW this time). I could see #8 from it and it was begging for me to run to it but I had to find #7 first.

I also had the same leg on the H4 and H2 where I went right both times. The first time I was over the hill, glanced back and up to my left to spot the control (#130, seemed further up the hill than indicated on the map) and on the second course I ended up in the same spot so knew exactly where to look for the control from there!

It is a Komyshan remap though...

Did PK move the rocks? They were all 100% in 1993 when Eric Andrews mapped them and I checked every rock

I don't know; he wasn't there for me to ask him :-) It looks like he moved some trees though.

The yellow was a bit weird in parts. In all honesty the rocks seem a bit over mapped, or perhaps the wrong ones were used in a few places today?

I think the wrong ones in a few places today yes - and I think just the mapping felt wrong. Some of the maps I look at and have absolute confidence in it and todays map I had zero confidence in.

Also couldnt get a bearing to work didnt help

PK just re-did the vegetation, because the original map was basically white - I never understood why. Was never a fan of the rock mapping either.

I've just checked it against the original, and I can't see any rock changes in the area used today. Lots of added clearings and a few thickets.

I think it needs a few more clearings added.

I agree - I think it's one of those areas that should be rough open by default and then make the trees white (or ROST), rather than white by default and then try to pick clearings out.

TBH if it wasn't so rocky underfoot and had a decent mapping of its rock detail - I think the map could actually be really nice but as yesterday was my first experience I am left feeling like it certainly is pretty low on my list of areas to go run in.

Funny, this was the first area that "clicked" for me and I was feeling frustrated yesterday that I couldn't go out :-). It is a different type of rock mapping but once you get your head into it I always enjoyed it!

Shows how different mappers have different style though...

Bryce, the Peterdine map extends further south and I'm sure it's not as rocky out that way. I think I've run there at least twice (maybe three times) before - once in a Boundless event - and had much better runs on both occasions. Mind you, the Boundless event was set to M standards.

I think the setting just concentrated the courses on the steeper, rocky underfoot part of the map as the rest of Peterdine is much better underfoot. I wouldn't have chosen this section for middle distance racing but don't know if there were limitations on what area of the map they could use.

I agree that part of the map was always the slowest and toughest part. Maybe not the best selection for a Middle Distance, basically used it for longer route choice legs back in the day! From memory the shorter courses did not get to that side back when it was the Easter Map as we started near Mokine road.

Also I think the tree cover has changed over time with more sheep grazing not allowing any new trees to get a start so over time the clearings get bigger. The boundaries in this type of terrain between white and yellow are always vague and hard to rely on as navigation features.