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in: brycec; brycec > 2015-10-24

Oct 25, 2015 3:05 PM # 
You baby :P We visited just three water drops but only refilled at two and neither of us had run out at either one (#52, ~3hrs in and #54, ~8.5hrs in).

Regarding rogaines, I think I'm 'over' the long stuff too. I wasn't enjoying myself out there from about 6hrs and wanted to pack it in but did enjoy probably the last 1.5hrs in the dark. This from a guy who wants to do XPD again next year, go figure!
Oct 25, 2015 3:14 PM # 
Do we have cyclgaine events in WA? QLD used to have them every now and then..
Oct 25, 2015 3:16 PM # 
So did we (6hr events - last one was in 1997) but the 30 people that used to turn up didn't make them worth the effort. Kind of like MTBO...

I'm sure with liability issues these days we'd need a Traffic Management Plan for each of ten different local councils to cover the required area.
Oct 25, 2015 3:24 PM # 
yeah i can comfortably get through 3l in 3hrs in weather like yesterday. and yeah it was probably shortly after we saw u just before nightfall i actually started enjoying the day again - the middle 6hrs blah.
Oct 25, 2015 5:02 PM # 
I did a few of them in QLD but yeh did not see any of them here..too complicated to organise..BTW the Darlington event map is now ready!
Oct 26, 2015 12:19 AM # 
Might just have been that I was over the bush, not rogaines in general. I'll find out next year I guess!
Oct 26, 2015 1:45 AM # 
We visited just three water drops but only refilled at two and neither of us had run out at either one (#52, ~3hrs in and #54, ~8.5hrs in).


I drank at *least* 9L out there.

1:45, 1L drunk
~6:15, dry
~9:00, dry
12:00, had 1L left at the end.

Plus at least .5L drunk at water drops and then refilled. There's no way in hell I could have gone 5.5 hours during the middle of the day without running out.
Oct 26, 2015 2:06 AM # 
Have been thinking about setting another cycle rogaine but I wouldn't be so silly as to bother the local councils otherwise it would (a) cost a small fortune in fees (gotta pay for Lisa's wardrobe somehow) and (b) get buried in red tape that otherwise unemployable local government functionaries seem to love wallowing in.

I believe local councils are just elaborate sheltered workshops.
Oct 26, 2015 2:06 AM # 
^ what Paul said.
Oct 26, 2015 2:11 AM # 
MrR, I wholeheartedly agree with your methodology. Given the probable turnout, all we'd need is a small park to start in and it's not like we need road management or anything since no-one's going to be smashing headfirst through traffic and it's not like I couldn't just go out on my bike any time or day of the week without requiring a permit.

Unfortunately we've contacted local council (Melville) for the MTB score event we're planning for March and we've already run up against Bureaucracy in the form of a TMP requirement. Since we are trying to get it listed for Bike Week, we don't have much of a choice.
Oct 26, 2015 2:14 AM # 
Juffy, after we refilled at 6:30 or whenever, I barely touched my water (lies, I refilled my 750ml bottle and added a Shotz tab and finished that after the end of the event, although I barely touched the 3L bladder after dark meaning I carried the extra weight for nothing).
Oct 26, 2015 2:28 AM # 
lol love those traffic management plans...
Oct 26, 2015 2:31 AM # 
I wonder if we can get BWA to sponsor us the Traffic Management Plan?
Oct 26, 2015 2:36 AM # 
From what I hear about their legal department, it would be even more effort than getting the TMP ourselves.
Oct 26, 2015 2:38 AM # 
Can the TMP wait until we have a Bike Week grant from BWA then? No use spending that money unless we are 100% sure that our event will go ahead.
Oct 26, 2015 2:58 AM # 
I lost all respect for TMP demands when the organiser of the Kep Ultra got hit with that requirement by *#&$ing Northam council. 80-odd road crossings, most of them in the middle of nowhere with 2 cars a day.
Oct 26, 2015 3:09 AM # 
yeah it is pretty bl33ding stupid - such low risk. I can understand in urban environs when the risk is much higher. I wonder if the Giro D Perth had to get a TMP? Maybe we can use some of his stuff.
Oct 26, 2015 3:12 AM # 
well where I find this falls down - is the number of people who cycle and run on the roads every day - there is no TMP for them and I could argue the fact there are larger groups that go around the river on a Saturday morning than there would be cyclists at bike o event of any description.

Why can we not just do this informally is there a legal ramification?
Oct 26, 2015 3:17 AM # 
Depends on the event I guess. The March one we want listed in the Bike Week events so it has to be done officially. Some other ones (Darlington) we won't bother with and others (e.g. the Bayswater event back in March), the local council didn't ask us for one. We never get asked for them for MTBO, other than the Margs sprint last year, and many of our MTBO events cross roads.

It's all rubbish anyway. The TMP doesn't necessarily state how (or if) you will control traffic, just stupid things like where you'll be setting up signs. They won't accept it from anyone other than an approved TMP provider though and that costs money.
Oct 26, 2015 3:20 AM # 
TT, we're not even after a grant. Richard has told them we don't need the money; just that we want it listed in the events.
Oct 26, 2015 3:24 AM # 
Well - I think we should apply for the grant - so that we can use that to pay for our TMP :P
Oct 26, 2015 3:27 AM # 
Great. So the grants issued by the bureaucracy get used to fund...bureaucracy. Happy cycling, everyone!
Oct 26, 2015 3:29 AM # 
haha it is stupid I know. I think the councils and governing bodies ask for TMP's because they want to cover their butts in the case of emergencies. IE: the person who was hit by a car was not my fault - I have a TMP from the organiser here - see... the TMP was created by an expert.

We need to recruit a TMP specialist into orienteering.
Oct 26, 2015 3:29 AM # 
The TMP doesn't necessarily state how (or if) you will control traffic, just stupid things like where you'll be setting up signs.

Of course not - you're not *allowed* to control traffic unless you're an accredited lollipop wielder. The Kep marshals (where they have manned crossings, like GE Hwy) are very clear on the fact that they're there to stop runners, not cars.
Oct 26, 2015 3:37 AM # 
Juffy, your previous comment I already mentioned to the course setter, i.e. receiving a grant solely to fund the paperwork unnecessarily required to run the event. It's how bureaucrats exist - a self-perpetuating cycle.
Oct 26, 2015 3:38 AM # 
If any third parties are inconvenienced by the event, it's not the local council that will deal with it. That's what our insurance is for.
Oct 26, 2015 4:14 AM # 
I did not say we don't need the money, more that we did not need a lot of money and that a listing in the Bike Week calendar was more useful to us than cash. Mind you if we have to feed to bureaucracy then we may need heaps of dosh!
Oct 26, 2015 4:28 AM # 
We don't need the money, unless it's to create a useless TMP.
Oct 26, 2015 6:09 AM # 
Giro d'Perth has the imprimatur of Bike Week, and support from at least one Council.
Oct 26, 2015 6:12 AM # 
Yeah - I'm just wondering if we can use their TMP :)

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