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Discussion: Ouch!

in: ndobbs; ndobbs > 2015-10-30

Nov 1, 2015 9:44 AM # 
The gentleman is quite right. This doesn't make the news here at all.
Nov 1, 2015 6:49 PM # 
Read the same in Hammers log - with accompanying Youtube video...

Ouch! is quite fitting.
Nov 1, 2015 8:47 PM # 
Here neither.

They've lowered the speed limit on today's motorway from 130 to 110 km/h for the next six months, due to pollution concerns.
Nov 4, 2015 9:04 PM # 
Monbiot is a very good journalist - especially on environmental matters.

Indonesia has just had the fortunte of getting some rain so imagine that this issue will be out of the news as quick as it was in it (if it was really in it at all).

My former PDF, Gustaf Granath (OK Linne), and I are writing a manuscript for PNAS that examines the risk of similar mega peat fires occurring in temperature and boreal regions and we explore ways to mitigate that risk. For example, the Moscow peat fires in 2010 were linked to over 3000 deaths. Gustaf is back in Uppsala after two years in Hamilton and works at SLU in Ultuna with much of his new research focused on the 2014 Salabranden fire that destroyed the WOC'04 long distance terrain.
Nov 5, 2015 8:45 AM # 
It will be back in the news in three weeks' time if I have anything to do with it (you can reasonably assume that it's going to get a bit of space in the 2011-15 global climate assessment I'm currently working on). Receiving even less coverage, but probably even more ominous in the long term, have been this year's fires in the Amazon basin.
Nov 5, 2015 3:06 PM # 
I went to an event on climate change hosted by Bill Nye at National Geographic last weekend, and he talked about the Amazon fires in passing, but no mention of the ones in Indonesia.
Nov 5, 2015 4:49 PM # 
There's probably a stronger case that climate change is a contributing factor to the Amazon fires than there is for the Indonesian equivalent; fires of roughly comparable severity occurred in Indonesia the last time there was an El Nino (and associated drought) of comparable strength, in 1997.

I've been wrestling this afternoon with trying to find the right form of words to convey a sense that we may well look back on 2015 as being a tipping point for the Amazon (and to convince those Important People, or advisers to them, who read those words before the Paris conference that "(insert expletive of choice here) this is serious"), while at the same time not saying anything which can't be rigorously backed up by data. I suspect I'll come back to that paragraph quite a few times before finalising it.
Nov 6, 2015 6:53 PM # 
What exactly is your role going to be in Paris, Blair?
Nov 6, 2015 7:36 PM # 
In Paris itself, non-existent - I won't be there, but my words will. I'm lead author of the World Meteorological Organisation (provisional) five-year climate assessment for 2011-15, which is going to be released the week before Paris (currently planned for the 25th but might shift by a day or two).
Nov 6, 2015 7:39 PM # 
Got it. That sounds like a pretty big deal.
Nov 6, 2015 8:32 PM # 

In today's Guardian, oil palm is already growing on the still smouldering land...
Nov 6, 2015 11:56 PM # 
Must be sustainable then ;-)

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