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Discussion: Shoes - Equipment

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Nov 20, 2015 8:26 AM # 
Hello, I would like to suggest a change to the website. Instead of just having shoes, make it possible to track more than one piece of equipment.

Thanks for listening!
Nov 20, 2015 8:38 AM # 

Found about four suggestions for this, it's been in the pipeline for a while. :)
Nov 20, 2015 10:33 AM # 
Create a pair of shoes called 'Road Bike' and use that for all your bike rides. At least then you can track the time/distance/sessions/controls for each piece of equipment
Nov 20, 2015 5:03 PM # 
For skiing maybe a possibility to track also skis and poles...
Nov 23, 2015 12:25 AM # 
andrewd's suggestion doesn't solve the issue of using multiple pieces of equipment simultaneously, since you can only select one pair of "shoes" at a time. Not sure if I personally would ever bother using it for anything but shoes, but I could see the value of tracking other items.
Nov 23, 2015 12:32 AM # 
I've never needed the ability to track multiple items. If I ride my road bike, I use my road bike shoes. I realise this may not be the same for everyone but if you use running shoes for riding, are they still wearing out at the same rate? I doubt covering 50km on a bike in your trail running shoes would have the same wear as 50km on the trails.

The problem I encounter is when 'adventure racing' or 'multisport' and I change shoes/equipment between disciplines but the way to solve that is to either break the sport into its respective components or don't bother (I favour the latter since I don't tend to track distances in those sports anyway since the GPS doesn't like either swimming or lasting longer than about 18 hours).
Nov 23, 2015 12:35 AM # 
Juffy, I have to admit some suggestions in that list aren't worth Ken's time. How is ultra-running as a sport different to running? It's running for f**k's sake, just longer.
Nov 23, 2015 3:15 AM # 
I agree, but I'm sure our Wise and Powerful AP Overlord uses his judgement to determine his priorities - and if he doesn't list the inane suggestions then someone else will just suggest them again anyway.

Although there's also a suggestion to allow people to vote on suggestions to determine priorities, so it's all a bit circular really.
Nov 23, 2015 6:28 AM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Re multiple items simultaneously: bike, tire, chain, cassette.
Nov 25, 2015 3:57 AM # 
I use the note section for that but I see your point. I'd end up clogging up the equipment section though with all the replacement parts involved with my bike - I have yet to discover if 'retired' items can be removed from the list (they just get a font change at the moment).
Nov 26, 2015 8:20 PM # 
Thanks for everyone's enthusiasm. Yes, multiple items, just having a shoe named "bike" doesn't work. My suggestion is not so as to make the development for Ken really difficult. The ability to select more than one item when logging. And, in the setup, being able to enter general equipment, of which shoes can be a subset. I think the metrics that need to be tracked will be about the same anyways. Knowing how many miles (rather than hours) I used a sports watch isn't perhaps particularly interesting, but can't hurt. I can imagine elevation might be interesting for climbing. An advanced option would be to have perhaps checkboxes indicating metrics that are interesting for a piece of eq, but perhaps that is not keeping it simple enough.
Nov 27, 2015 2:15 AM # 
My suggestion is not so as to make the development for Ken really difficult.

Problem is that it sounds simple, but isn't. Currently there's a one-to-many relationship - each training session has 0 or 1 shoes, but each shoes can be used for multiple training sessions.

Changing that to a many-to-many relationship (each training session can have 0-or-more shoes, and shoes can be used for multiple training sessions) is an order of magnitude more complex.
Nov 27, 2015 7:43 AM # 
True that. Instead of revamping the database, perhaps just having 3 or 5 pieces of equipment being tracked. Then you could just add to the database and avoid the many-to-many relationship.
Nov 27, 2015 7:54 AM # 
perhaps just having 3 or 5 pieces of equipment being tracked

Please stay far, far away from any database I'm charge of. :)
Nov 27, 2015 12:21 PM # 
Gladly. But, you were the one that said that doing it properly was overly complex, so then I provide a quick and dirty suggestion. Do make up your mind ;)
Nov 27, 2015 5:56 PM # 
Plus you want your equipment to be hierarchical e.g. your bike has drivetrain bits and tires that it would be cool to track individually as well... I get asked regularly to add it to IpBike but I keep shying away from it. Anyone no of a good implementation anywhere?
Nov 27, 2015 6:27 PM # 
I have definitely used a piece of training software that let you track components on a bike. I have no idea which one it was though. I'll try and look it up.
Nov 27, 2015 8:59 PM # 
It might have been Ascent for the Mac
Nov 28, 2015 2:53 AM # 
Ascent is what you do on the bike, not the Mac.
Nov 28, 2015 9:48 AM # 
Nov 28, 2015 4:11 PM # 
This thread has been so enlightening. I just realized that if I logged my lawn mowing time I would be able to track when my mowers are due for their every-25-hours oil changes. Never mind that my shoes entries for this activity would say "Toro" or "Troy-bilt".

Oh wait... I've been trying (with inconsistent success) to get the teen-age son to help with the lawn mowing. So in that light my feature-enhancement request would be for the capability for multiple AP users to log time against the same pair of "shoes". (Something that's entirely within the realm of possibility for other implements such as skis, bikes, and roller-skis.)
Nov 28, 2015 9:28 PM # 
I would like to log the bits of my body. I'm trying to get them to all wear out at the same time.
Nov 29, 2015 12:23 AM # 
I'd like to log my control description holder .. Though others may want to log the tape and scissors they use instead.
Nov 29, 2015 1:03 AM # 
Pink Socks:
I'd like to log my log.
Dec 2, 2015 11:40 PM # 
If you want to log multiple pieces of kit simultaneously and have it grouped into sets use SportTracks.
Dec 5, 2015 9:21 AM # 
Or excel

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