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Nov 26, 2015 8:08 PM # 
You the age group champ
Nov 27, 2015 2:31 PM # 
matzah ball:
yeah thanks. champ is this guy a lots of others

Thinking about taking a few days off (a lot of stresses to legs and hips) - but feel strong at the same time like I'm making progress. So i know i should but how can i keep from running?
Nov 27, 2015 2:56 PM # 
Interesting that you are working towards shorter distances. Many people move the distance up when they get older because the really high-intensity stuff requires so much recovery, and that's what you really lose as you get older.

As for the article you posted, I think he says it himself: if he trained like that through his 20's and 30's he'd be spent right now. Everything I've read, plus my own personal experience, is that you get at most 15-20 years of heavy competitive training (80-150 miles per week). After that, things just don't work right anymore. Of course, some people don't even get that, but even for those who are blessed with a sturdy composition AND don't mess themselves up still wind up pretty played out after 20 years. I'm still enjoying running, but I was right to step back and turn my attention to other things. This is year 20 for me and my body is done with the 100-mile weeks. (Still looking forward to 100-mile days, though, I couldn't give up ultras altogether).
Nov 28, 2015 12:07 AM # 
matzah ball:
Thanks for your comment - very focusing and thought provoking.

Is there a correlation between intensity and mileage? i feel like I'm training to be able to train harder by recovering faster and in general it seems to be working i.e. the harder the set of hard workout days I do, the easier it is to rebound from hard workouts (it helps to be semi-retired and have access to almost unlimited rest), but all that is codified by a ceiling of something like 50 running miles a week. I do get how another 30-40 miles of easy running would help reinforce the harder training that I do, but the body just doesn't want to go there, and every now and then (like now) it has to be shut down for a bit. In other words, if I ran more easy miles, I would be too tired and beat up to do the hard workouts. So I am learning to conserve everything for the quality workouts, and maximize them by running them 'easy' - relaxed and in good form.

In addition, short races require much less recovery and therefore can stand in for quality workouts as Jack Daniels so rightly recognizes in his training plans. Its a tight ship, designed for efficiency and economy w the available resources, and jettisoning whatever hinders it.

It will be interesting to see what you do with ultras - the talent and affection you bring to them is unmistakable. Its certainly conceivable with that 20 year training base of yours that you may be able to continue to excel at them with reduced high mileage buildups. And at the same time, its possible that you could continue to crank out relatively high level 5k's on lower but more intense mileage.
Nov 28, 2015 3:16 AM # 
Past history (including very recent history, i.e., today) has shown that when I reduce my mileage, I get injured almost immediately. I've always been a high-volume trainer. I'll try to hold it together, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to be missing a lot more days due to things being busted up without the big base.
Nov 28, 2015 4:22 AM # 
Congrats on the fine run!
Nov 28, 2015 12:55 PM # 
matzah ball:
Thanks, Bill. Eric - don't know if its related but when I cut back for a taper, it brings every conceivable ache and pain out of the woodwork. However, instead of thinking it means I have to run more to stay healthy, I look at it as changing of gears and body taking the opportunity to heal the things that were stressed because of the higher mileage.
Nov 29, 2015 2:37 AM # 
I always feel like crap during a taper. I often get sick, too. But, once the gun sounds, I really feel the difference. It still feels awful, but at least I'm going fast. I don't taper for ultras (other than taking a few easy days right before, which isn't at all the same thing).

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