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in: chitownclark; chitownclark > 2015-12-01

Dec 1, 2015 3:32 PM # 
matzah ball:
when the police are outlaws, who will police the police? I agree that police are to be commended for the very difficult work they do and it is certainly necessary to have a good police force. But there are evil-doers everywhere and the police are not immune, they are just a sample of the overall population. Not only that, but they are in a particularly leveraged position to do evil and get away with it. So what is to be done when a police person is a murderer, assaulter, embezzler etc. and the 'blue wall of silence' forms around misdeeds and hides them from view? The answer to this question is necessary before the 'us and them' view of the police can be replaced by one of common humanity.
Dec 1, 2015 4:28 PM # 
Well it goes without saying that some cops stray pretty far across the line of their legal responsibilities.

But what is new? As Edward Snowden showed us, law enforcement has very little respect for what is legal and what is an illegal gross trampling of our civil rights. It happens at all levels of government...why would you expect city police to display perfect conduct?

Since most a/p'ers live in suburbs or the country, my Note was simply to express a view of a city-dweller, who depends on our police force to keep our city livable. I probably have a different view than most suburban Americans.

There are many areas of Chicago that are not safe. People are shot and killed on the streets all the time; Chicago's murder rate is higher than any other US city, including larger NYC and LA. Policing this city is a tough and dangerous job. And I'm happy that those guys are willing to do it.

While I don't endorse egregious police brutality, I hope our police will continue to be tough, despite all the hand-wringing and protests a few recent incidents have provoked.

Because with the rise in mass terrorism, the question is: can we continue to keep cities a safe place to live?
Dec 1, 2015 7:12 PM # 
matzah ball:
I wouldn't call murdering someone and having your co- workers and higher ups covering it up, 'less than perfect' policing conduct.

You really want tough police? You know they might crack down on 'offbeat' 'unconventional' bike riding? I wonder if you have ever experienced that. You must have some good stories from your experience of living in the big city.

I often think as I run from a bus to my destination, if I were a person of color, I'd get stopped and interrogated 2 minutes into my run, especially the one that goes along the edge of the country club.
Dec 1, 2015 9:06 PM # 
Just when chitown had almost convinced me that it would be a good idea to live in the big city.
Dec 1, 2015 10:16 PM # 
matzah ball:
btw, congrats on your erg time!
Dec 2, 2015 1:05 PM # 
Thanks matzah ball. Charlie, when he is so inclined, can beat my 5k time by several minutes on the erg rower. But I'm happy to be seeing progress this fall. As I move into my late 70's, I think i'll have to ignore past speed records, and just compete with my own times set this season. Because at this point there's no way I could break 21 minutes for the 5k row, as I did less than four years ago.

...if I were a person of color, I'd get stopped and interrogated...

What makes you think that as a white guy, you're not above suspicion, when running around country club grounds without golf clubs in your hand? :-)
Dec 2, 2015 2:51 PM # 
matzah ball:
We're 'competing against ourselves' - thats more than ok! And over 60, every year marks a different level of expectations. Its no accident that most of the age group wins and records are held by the youngest in the age group, right? Does erg have an age grading calculator? That might give a more balanced comparison of your time to Charlie's.

So if I carry a golf club while running through the club grounds, I dont have to skulk around the edges anymore?
Dec 2, 2015 7:36 PM # 
Not sure a golf club is that much of a disguise. Running on or near a golf course is probably the kind of thing that would get you noticed, and if you didn't match the appearance of the regular denizens, maybe noticed a little more.

There are age group rankings in rowing, but they are ten year groups - pretty wide bands at our ages. Nevertheless, there are some people at the older end of the bands who still post some pretty fine times. Of the top 20 in the 60-69 lightweight rankings for 2000 m, 13 are 60-62, and only one is over 66. However, that guy is 69 and is 4th overall, so apparently quite a fine physical specimen. It is more pronounced in the 70-79 heavyweights, chitown's group. There 16 of the top 20 are 70 or 71 and only 2 of the top 20 are older than Clark.
Dec 2, 2015 9:38 PM # 
....and only one is over 66. However, that guy is 69 and is 4th overall...

Wow! That guy claims a 7:04 for 2000m! And he's going to be in my age group next year! And if he can do it again, he'll be #1 of both HW and LW groups of 70-79s.

I say 'claims' because he has the only 'unverified' time in the top 8 in his age group. Getting verification is so easy, I wonder why he didn't do it with such a fine time. So maybe that time is a bit of wishful thinking...

You and I have pretty soft times posted so far for the 2000m. But we still have five months to improve on them. You're just one notch ahead of me in our respective age groups: 64th and 65th. Nice motivation for me to get cracking!
Dec 2, 2015 11:10 PM # 
I think we can improve those 2K times quite a bit. I feel pretty confident I can get under 8 again. Not sure when I will start getting more serious. Maybe soon.

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