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Discussion: 800M TT

in: matzah ball; matzah ball > 2016-01-30

Jan 31, 2016 2:22 AM # 
2:49 seems pretty darn good for age 64. 58F sounds ideal (from a NH Jan perspective) and high anxiety reads like extra fuel. And one can either chase or run away from self-doubt.
Jan 31, 2016 4:00 AM # 
matzah ball:
well said, running away from self doubt seems like a good M.O.
Jan 31, 2016 7:42 PM # 
remind of the purpose of the 800TT? are you going to compete in the 800m this year?

I'm counting on you to run a 5:30 1500m so you can drag me to a sub-6 pace of 5:34 . . .

tangential topic: billy's high school "social running club" is doing TTs at various distances next week, 200m, 400m, 800m, I guess just to see where they are and perhaps for the coach to get an idea of strengths of runners new to track.

for their workout last week, they did a 5x600m at 1:42 pace for the 600m, which works out to 69 400m. with 600m jog recovery between reps. coach split up into groups based on the first rep. man, 69 is just blazing. I mean, I run 1:42 for a 400! haha. the human body at its peak is a marvel. can't wait till the first meet, all the way till March.
Jan 31, 2016 8:04 PM # 
matzah ball:
exactly - 'I guess just to see where they are...'build confidence, see what you have to work on, make adjustments, and tune up race pace speed over a longer distance... 1500 is not that much further than 800!
Jan 31, 2016 8:57 PM # 
4 seconds at 6:00 mile pace works out to . . . about 18 meters. 4 sec is the difference between a 5:34 and 5:30 . . . 1500 . . . just thinkin ahead. it could happen that way come June. :)
Jan 31, 2016 9:07 PM # 
matzah ball:
shoot - if we're that close lets both break 5:30
Jan 31, 2016 9:32 PM # 
"1500 is not that much further than 800!"

Good luck convincing yourself of that at 1100m!
Feb 1, 2016 4:14 PM # 
Rudy that's a solid TT and a pretty textbook lap breakdown (rounded 40,43 (1:23), 44, 42 (1:26)) - so good effort! BTW AA std for 65-69 is 2:45; spitting distance :-)
BTW did you have company and someone to pace against?
While I think shorter than race distance TTs are a helpful predictor ie 2/3 -3/4 distance, tend to agree with Eric and suggest a 1200m TT for you!
Having said all that, race prediction for a 1500 from your 800 is c 5:40, however I predict you are going to nail 5:30- need to work on your pacing plan though!
Feb 1, 2016 5:38 PM # 
matzah ball:
thanks Bill...good suggestion on the 1200tt. I would also love to do another 800 or two to get the feel of it. It was solo, in fact there was just one other soul in the place, walking in the outer lane, would be interesting to see what a group dynamic does. I like your 5:30 prediction, may not happen right away, but its a long spring/early summer. long range plan is 65-69 senior games in spring 2017, and 65-69 usatf in fall/late summer 2017.
Feb 1, 2016 6:19 PM # 
All about feel and having someone to aim for! Good long range plan too. :-)
Feb 1, 2016 9:28 PM # 
matzah ball:
re: long range - good to have challenging long range plans that motivate you day to day. At least you'll be ready when and if the day comes, and there's always local and regional meets that may fit the bill just as well.

Here's some events that look promising:
april 3 WU take steps for kids
may 7 nashville outdoors masters
may 14 minn. road mile
may 19-20 minn. and indiana sr. games
may 29 STL sr oly
june 6 indianapolis mile
june 25 STL Macklin mile
july 14-17 Michigan outdoors nat masters champs
Feb 1, 2016 9:58 PM # 
what no Kirkenfest 2K ?! . . . we arrive at the start after our warmup and the front is crowded with 200 elementary age kids. then they announce the race as the "2K Family Run" two minutes before the race start even though the literature said "all comers" made it sound like a competitive race . . . haha . . . oh yes, good times. :)
Feb 1, 2016 11:16 PM # 
mb: dont forget the . . .

Missouri State Senior Games, June 9-10-11-12, 1500m !

I'm counting on you! We have to give those KC guys a run for the money.
Feb 1, 2016 11:51 PM # 
matzah ball:
yep. we should try to recruit a couple more runners from the Lou to fan the flames.
Feb 2, 2016 3:24 PM # 
Nice list! A few other Upper Midwest things to choose from too.
You guys will be going global next :-)
Feb 2, 2016 6:25 PM # 
matzah ball:
Just good to know the options:) What else do you know of in Upper Midwest?
Feb 3, 2016 9:51 PM # 
ps--speaking of TT, today is billy's social running club TT for 800m and 400m. His teammate Lucas (second best in state class 4) wants to attempt a sub-2:00 and billy was going to stay with him. Lucas ran a 2:05 in practice last Dec after xc season, still some residual fitness. I think billy ran a 2:10 then. they may be running now as I write!
Feb 4, 2016 1:51 PM # 
matzah ball:
Looking forward to hearing how he did!
Feb 4, 2016 2:37 PM # 
Billy ran a 2:08 800m ... lucas at 2:10 ... in true runner fashion he noted the weather was crappy and his legs didn't feel great ... haha ... the coach thought they could have gone 3sec faster.

400m was billy at 58 ... Lucas 56 ... no intra team competition here! ...:-)
Feb 8, 2016 10:09 PM # 
mb: looking for some other 1500/1M races . . . Quad Cities has a senior games with guys running in the 5:3x range . . . schedule not out yet but probably first weekend in June.

the Nashville masters 1500 only had 4 entrants last year, all over the place . . . early May . . .

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