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Feb 14, 2016 3:01 PM # 
I assume you're aware Google is shutting down Picasa. I wonder if there will be an easy way to reconnect all of the links to the pics on our logs? Fortunately I switched over to Flickr in 2013 but there is still quite a few I'll have to mess with.
Feb 14, 2016 6:50 PM # 
I've been worrying about that possibility for awhile. Are they just going to focus on Google+ then? Arghh, I guess I will lose a lot of my "diary"!
Feb 14, 2016 6:54 PM # 
Google Photos:
All of the pictures from Picasa are currently available through Google Photos so there doesn't seem to be a need to transfer anything, though I imagine all the Picasa links will break eventually.
Feb 14, 2016 7:37 PM # 
I just came here to post the Canadian press release, which appears to be the same.

Agreed, I don't trust them to keep the Picasa links working forever. So sad, I have thousands of photos embedded in AP entries.
Feb 14, 2016 7:51 PM # 
I don't see any option to embed a photo in Google Photos. Just a stupid link like the one below. Anyone know how to do this? If it's not supported (and some googling suggests they have purposely made it unavailable), then Google Photos will be useless for my purposes.
Feb 14, 2016 8:13 PM # 
After some digging around in the Google Photos forum, opinions are split. Some people feel that Google has just forgotten the "embed" feature and if we all submit feedback, they'll include it in a future release.

Another point of view (which I find more believable) is that Google consciously left it out because they want to stop being an anonymous host for photos across the Internet. The embed function was very popular and extremely simple to implement, given that they already generate a link, as in my comment above.

From reading the forum, it's clear is that many Picasa users will not be able to work with Google Photos for this reason. They would have stayed with Google to avoid extra work but they will be forced to find another solution if "embed" functionality doesn't appear very soon. I have a Flickr account and was postponing the switch because I hoped Google would want to support their huge Picasa user base. There may be some other photo storage options to consider before I make the move. Ugh.
Feb 14, 2016 8:17 PM # 
An opinion from the forum: "Google is all about driving traffic to their sites and then monetizing that by selling ads whose price is determined by the amount of traffic. "monetization: so to speak". They have a serious case of envy of Facebook's 1 billion users but have reluctantly reached the conclusion that Google+ will never compete with Facebook for the social media crowd. But there's probably 1 billion smartphone users out their snapping pictures and selfies. If they can attract those users to store their pictures on Google servers that's one way to draw traffic. Google photos is an effort in that direction and it is decidedly non-geeky. There's really nothing a geek can do with it. It's aimed at the great masses of computer unwashed who have no idea what image resolution is or about composing a picture or anything else even semi-technical. "
Feb 14, 2016 8:24 PM # 
Anyone have anything bad to say about SmugMug? Although Flickr is more popular and less expensive, I've often thought that SmugMug looked better for my needs.

I see that some people are just choosing to store photos on their own personal websites to avoid situations like this. But then you've got nothing but photo storage - no features of any kind.
Feb 14, 2016 8:31 PM # 
Keep me updated on what you decide to do. I am presuming Flickr and SmugMug have the same embed feature as Picasa? It is annoying that you can't easily do this with Google photos.
Feb 14, 2016 8:41 PM # 
I keep my photos and the odd essay on a personal web site largely because I've never had confidence that any hosting would last. Companies change their mind about what is good business all the time.
Feb 15, 2016 12:43 AM # 
It's a good idea. I haven't been using Picasa for photo storage, only as a platform to share blog photos. I've only been uploading 600 pixel versions of my pics since that's all I need for AP. My full res photos are stored offline on three different backup drives in different locations. Given Picasa's retirement, it may be a good time to reconsider the merits of online storage of all my full res photos.

@Revy, yes, Flickr and SmugMug have the embed feature. One thing I like about SmugMug is that it's designed for photographers, and there isn't a free version with some "catch" to it. They're not trying to sell advertising or get you to accept it as part of Yahoo's services or whatever. It is used by pro photographers who sell their photos as digital files or prints, T-shirts, etc. On the flip side, I guess I'd be paying for some features I don't need.

Recent reviews of Flickr have been less glowing but it's still an option.

I see that "Attackpoint" Ken uses SmugMug to share his orienteering photos. I think Wil Smith uses it too so there are a couple of knowledgeable people who could offer opinions. Hmm. Thanks for wrecking Valentine's Day, JayXC. ;)
Feb 15, 2016 1:10 AM # 
That's too bad about embedding - I just saw the "share" link and didn't look harder to see that it's not a link suitable for embedding. *sigh*
Feb 15, 2016 4:50 AM # 
Here's an article saying (with occasional bad language) that Yahoo's management of Flickr has ruined it. It was written almost 4 years ago though, and Flickr still seems to be the choice of a lot of people.
Feb 15, 2016 1:10 PM # 
Would something like this help?
Feb 15, 2016 1:52 PM # 
Hi Smoke! And thanks. Are you seeing that photo without clicking on the frame? I see an empty frame, then It takes me to the photo when I click on it.
Feb 15, 2016 2:10 PM # 
I think I had the permissions set incorrectly. There should now be 2 images (animated gifs) with slightly different links behind them.
Feb 15, 2016 4:05 PM # 
I would only store full red on-line if I wanted to share them, and I would probably just do it temporarily for long enough for whoever I was sharing with to pick it up. Dropbox is fine for that.

I just store internet friendly copies online. Typically reduced to 800x600 and compressed to about 100k (a somewhat arbitrary choice of acceptable load time for viewing a small collection). I generally also store thumbnail sizes about 1/9 that size.
Feb 15, 2016 5:57 PM # 
Ah. That's another strategy to consider. Only a tiny percentage of my photos are online but I could consider just uploading Internet-friendly or HD-friendly sizes.

Thanks Smoke, I now see a slideshow inline. Nice! I've always wanted to go to Churchill. Did you somehow get Google Photos to generate embed code for you? Or did you have to add extra HTML? I know that's possible but I don't want to have to do that.
Feb 16, 2016 12:17 PM # 
I created an animation in Google photos (which is the animated gif/slide show). Then viewing the animation, just "Copy image address" from chrome and paste into an <img src=> tag. So yes, extra html, but minimal. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a way to control the speed of the slide show.

BTW, you might want to look at Photos and Videos Shared on Google+. I think "Don't feature my publicly shared Google+ photos as background images on Google products and services" is a new setting and is off by default.

FWIW, I agree that you should be looking at a different solution than Google for your photos.
Feb 16, 2016 2:34 PM # 
Thanks, that is a scary setting!
Feb 16, 2016 6:49 PM # 
I found flickr very motivational when I got back into photography following my knee surgery (I needed a new hobby because my surgeon said I wouldn't ever run again). Anyway it was an excellent community to help develop (pun intended) my photography skills. Then yahoo ruined it. So I just use it now to embed photos into Attackpoint. Perhaps Ken should add a premium AP photo embed service.
Feb 19, 2016 6:28 AM # 
I'm going to try a SmugMug 14-day trial after getting good reviews from Wil Smith and Ken "Attackpoint" Walker.

Ken doesn't think the old Picasa links are likely to break anytime soon since Google would have to be aware of the huge trouble that would cause on many sites. He also pointed me to a link where Google explicitly addresses the question:

"Using Picasa Web Albums, there is the ability to link to (embed) photos and get various sizes (such as miniatures) of the same image by simply changing the /sXXX/ parameter (see this page). Can this be done with Google Photos? Not at this time.

Will the PWA embedded links and resized URLs described above still work? Yes."

So that gives us a little breathing room but we only have until March 15 to find a new photo hosting platform.

Btw Ken confirmed that AP will be sticking to its core mission and letting photo services do what they do best.

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