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Discussion: Where in the World?

in: Suncoast Orienteering Championships

Feb 18, 2016 1:33 AM # 
This really is an event discussion but it takes a while to get to the point. I was searching an area to check its suitabiltiy for orienteering when it seemed I was in a dream on a trip to re-visit some of the most intersting orienteering terrain I've seen around the world. Well I can't describe it in words so lets let this slide show tell the story.
Feb 18, 2016 2:18 AM # 
Nice. Just wish it was 3 weeks later.
Feb 19, 2016 12:43 AM # 
Some scenery looks familiar. Let me guess...
Redneck Riviera?
Feb 19, 2016 10:52 PM # 
Looks cool!
Great promo, Gord.
Feb 20, 2016 1:22 AM # 
I really enjoyed the slide show, and the comparisons to lands around the world. Sorry I can't make it to the meet!
Feb 21, 2016 8:30 PM # 
Wow that is one cool looking park! Makes me want to visit soon.
Feb 24, 2016 1:48 AM # 
Thanks for the comments. For you Ross, I'll send you a copy of a course map, if you like. Or better yet I'll get you some drawing supplies and you can work on some of the other 60,000 acres (24,000 hectares) in the park.
Feb 24, 2016 3:14 AM # 
Wish it wasn't Flying Pig weekend! Keep up the great work in FL, Gord!
Feb 24, 2016 8:46 AM # 
The Pig is also US Interscholastic Champs. :-/
Feb 25, 2016 11:35 PM # 
Yes, I regret the conflict in the dates. We will lose at least one, perhaps more good JROTC teams to the Interscholastics but that is the way it should be.
Besides we have had about 1000 different students participate in at least one of the 13 JROTC orienteering events held so far this year. For every one that goes to the Flying Pig there are 100 more that can stay home and run the Galloping Gator.
Feb 26, 2016 8:16 AM # 
So the Pig/IS won't make much of a dent in Suncoast OC participation, and vice-versa, which is good. But the question still remains: Why does there have to be a conflict at all?
Feb 26, 2016 1:55 PM # 
There are only 52 weekends in a year. The events a thousand miles apart. Different market.
Feb 26, 2016 2:19 PM # 
Ed is correct. Much as I'd enjoy running in Gord's FL event, there simply aren't enough weekends for every possible meet.
Feb 26, 2016 2:36 PM # 
In a more perfect world there would be LOTS of event conflicts. And plenty of nearby participants to fill them up, thus creating sufficient demand to create even more events.
Feb 27, 2016 11:49 AM # 
The Suncoast Champs are regional at best. There is no way this event will come close to the standard of the Flying Pig. We will just offer enjoyable courses in enjoyable terrain on a new map which my experiences tells me the Flying Pig will do plus a lot more. I am glad that there are more and more teams from Florida making their way north to events such as the Flying Pig and the GNC. Next weekend there will be three Florida Navy JROTC teams at the Navy Nationals in Washington State. What great experiences for the students who earn trhe rights to attend thses events.!
As for date onflicts I agree with fossil. One Saturday in January there were two events in Florida barely over 100 miles apart. Both events attracted eight school teams and well over 100 persons each. I know that of the 16 schools only one - one - would have attended the other event if their choice had not been held. More events attract more people.
But while I have your attention I'd like to say a few words about two other features being added to the Suncost Champs. To appeal to the many hikers in the Tampa area we are adding a non-timed map hike where their hike leader is their map in hand. The carrot for them is gettign access to usually OOB bike trails. The second is a 'super blue' length course taking advantage of the mixture of wide open fast running terrain and tough technical terrain side by side. Entry to the latter will be by advance application only and entries will be encouraged to be in teams of two to four. Florida Extreme Adventures (FLX) is handling entry details for the super blue course.
Feb 27, 2016 12:08 PM # 
OOB bike trails? Seriously? How did the bike guys get that kind of clout?
Feb 27, 2016 4:29 PM # 
Wow that's awesome... are you planning a new map for next year?

If so, do you have a round-a-bout date I could pencil into my calendar? (also, any chance of making it an A-meet)
Feb 27, 2016 10:15 PM # 
JJ: the clout they have is their own sweat and labor. The bike clubs here in Florida also do something that I've taken as a lesson. They work with, not against the park authorities, doing the research and building new trail proposals that answer concerns before the concerns are raised.
Not all bike trails in the park are OOB to other users. There is also a network of equestrian trails where cyclists can't go but persons on foot are allowed on all equestrian and most bike trails except the most gnarly ones that the cyclists have created in among the remains of pit mines where the trails go up, over andaround piles of old tailing and overburden. I have permission to map those trails and the hills - the contour detail is rather general - but I would not go to that area on a weekend when there ar too many cyclists going around too many blind corners and coming suddenly over hills.
Feb 27, 2016 10:29 PM # 
Next year? I was thinking about that today as probably some of the mapping I did today will not be used in April.
Unless we really screw up with park authorities Suncoast O will be back there next year., We do events the first and third Saturdays of January and February and the first Saturdays of March and April.
I'm thinking of trying to find a weekend where we can stage a regular orienteering event on the Saturday at Alafia and the Navi-Gator (our answer to the Bubba Goat) on the Sunday. My target for that would be early December when flights to and hotels in Florida have about their lowest prices of the year.
Would it be an A meet? No chance of that happening.
Currently in Suncoast Orienteering the mapper is the course setter and that is not recommended. The course setter is the controller and that is definitely not allowed and the controller does all his own vetting and the course setter does the flag hanging.
Feb 28, 2016 9:33 PM # 
Interesting... I know the 1st saturday in march is out as I'll be at the Texas A-meet.

Perhaps the wife and I will try and make it down in April, or even december if you have a good 2 day then!
Feb 29, 2016 12:31 AM # 
I wouldn't give up too quickly on the A-meet* idea. "Not recommended" doesn't mean forbidden, and I think a lot of people would love to see another national meet in FL. I suspect you could recruit plenty of help from outside to handle registration, vetting, etc.
Feb 29, 2016 12:35 AM # 
Or to look at it another way, I can think of a state (Wyoming) that has had multiple A-meets* even though there's only one orienteer in the entire state.

*At the time, yes, they were called A-meets.
Feb 29, 2016 1:03 AM # 
Just call it an Eh-Meet.
Feb 29, 2016 2:54 AM # 
I like Ross' idea. Just good orienteering is fine.
Feb 29, 2016 8:03 AM # 
Flying Pig against Galloping Gator
Apr 7, 2016 1:23 PM # 
Suncoast championship report - especially for all of you in the NE stuck in 15 cm of new snow!

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