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Mar 20, 2016 10:56 AM # 
1) You are alive
2) You haven't driven into a ditch
3) You haven't smashed your car to smithereens
4) The caravan is safe
5) You get apple crumble for dessert, WITH ice cream :P
6) You got some endurance training on your MTB
7) When you get interviewed about 'overcoming obstacles' you can think of this situation.
8) The cats always want pats
9) Do you feel better yet?
10) Can we have dessert now?
Mar 20, 2016 11:53 AM # 
But the Bibra Lake results aren't up! :-)

Seriously though, I agree with Tash, except that there should be cream as well as ice cream on the apple crumble.
Mar 20, 2016 12:05 PM # 
WE prefer custard :P
Mar 20, 2016 12:13 PM # 
Well the volunteering for events with car failure requiring repairs or assistance has just swung back in my favour. The count now stands at Tash = 2 (flat battery & radiator pile drive) and tRicky = 3 (smashed windscreen, boulder demolition derby and fuel fail).
Mar 20, 2016 12:14 PM # 
I think that is worth a second helping of dessert - don't you tRicky?
Mar 20, 2016 12:15 PM # 
Mar 20, 2016 12:17 PM # 
But I made a HUGE tray of apple/pear crumble!!!
Mar 20, 2016 12:46 PM # 
Simmo you weren't even AT the event, so how about you fuck off and troll somewhere else, mmk?
Mar 20, 2016 12:56 PM # 
Oh shit! I didn't even realise there was any fuel - otherwise I would have used the yellow one and saved you the pain of doing so!

On the upside - it's done now. Stop volunteering for WARA events - they all think we're just trying to convert them to orienteering anyway!!
Mar 20, 2016 12:59 PM # 
I've gotta say, getting hit over the head with the membership fee stick has killed most of my residual enthusiasm for volunteering for WARA.
Mar 20, 2016 1:08 PM # 
I'm a bit over people who have never been orienteering in their lives saying "Oh that's an orienteering control." when they are nothing of the sort. Particularly when the controls they're speaking of would never be used in orienteering and are essentially "textbook" rogaine controls.

Plus, the briefest of mentions to any volunteers leaves a bitter taste.

Me thinks it may be the last volunteering effort for a while - after all, I now have two years of membership paid for!
Mar 20, 2016 1:32 PM # 
I have a life time of membership :-)
Mar 21, 2016 12:26 AM # 
I'm wondering who actually pays membership fees in 2016. I know the following are exempt:
-2015 volunteers
-first timers
-life members
-committee members (which is probably why Wil joined the committee because he'll never get free membership for volunteering at an event)
Mar 21, 2016 12:37 AM # 
Rogaine results aren't up yet either. What is my $40 getting me???
Mar 21, 2016 12:41 AM # 
Voting rights and a warm fuzzy.
Mar 21, 2016 2:59 AM # 
I paid :-( makes the one event every second year that I manage to get to very expensive.
Mar 21, 2016 3:19 AM # 
I also love that the committee voted in a massive membership fee rise from which they're automatically exempt.
Mar 21, 2016 3:23 AM # 
lol - overthrow the committee put them in members shoes and see if they continue to rogaine. - awaits response - yes we will just volunteer so its free.
Mar 21, 2016 3:45 AM # 
We're looking for a volunteer co-ordinator Bryce. Are you putting your hand up?
Mar 21, 2016 4:02 AM # 
Youre really stretching and reaching if you saw that statement as an offer to help :)

In short the current model is broken and the organisation is taking steps in the opposite direction (in my opinion) to fixing it - so no - I dont see any value in my flogging a dying horse I have better ways to spend my limited time :)

incidentally had I known earlier I wasnt going to be able to do the first 24 this year I would have vetted it but I found out well past them getting 3 vetter - so unless they want some extra vetting hand s pre event my only opportunity to volunteer which I will consider is at novelty this year - but since its not on the board I guess thats gone
Mar 21, 2016 4:13 AM # 
I was only asking.

If you want to set the Novelty event that would be appreciated. The novelty event may not be on the board which appears on the website yet but it was on the volunteer board which was at the admin tent on Saturday.

I'll get the website volunteer grid updated in the next day or two. Thanks for the memory jogger.
Mar 21, 2016 4:13 AM # 
Yeah. Flogging dying horses is my job, every couple of months.
Mar 21, 2016 4:28 AM # 
I wouldn't want to set the novelty event. Look where it's being held.
Mar 21, 2016 4:33 AM # 
MrR - I will strongly consider setting the novelty as it is one of my least favorite events to actually take part in!
Mar 21, 2016 4:36 AM # 
Thanks Bryce. Let me know when you have decided
Mar 21, 2016 5:13 AM # 
I thought OWA had the Kimberly booked for Easter 2019
Mar 21, 2016 5:30 AM # 
Bryce, if you do it change it to Sunday.
Mar 21, 2016 5:36 AM # 
Speaking of beating dead horses...
Mar 21, 2016 5:38 AM # 
hey simmo - how about if I do it - you let me set the orienteering metro on the same day on the same area/course and we can bring both communities together! WOW.
Mar 21, 2016 6:12 AM # 
I can't see anything on the orienteering calendar for that weekend. Would it be a special event?

Simmo, changes to the WARA calendar can be requested and will be considered at the next available committee meeting. They are held the first Wednesday of each month
Mar 21, 2016 6:17 AM # 
Bryce, tried and failed. Don't bother.

MrR, sorry we can't book all the full moons but our calendar is only published once locations are finalised (cause, you know, we actually have a printed version), unlike WARA where no-one has any idea where events are going to be. Metro Series is on Saturday afternoons at 5pm from November to February as they have been now for more than a decade.
Mar 21, 2016 6:17 AM # 
MrR thats because the wont release the MetrO series until much later in the year but it always runs 5pm on Saturday afternoons through that period.

I am sure thats what simmo is referring to.
Mar 21, 2016 6:26 AM # 
I know there is.a summer series on ABOUT that time of year but it's never the same. There are what? Ten events? That straddle Christmas? I wasn't sure they started in November.
Mar 21, 2016 6:39 AM # 
Would be a novelty to have WARA and OWA siinging from a similar if not quite the same song sheet.

Ahhh I remember when we were on big happy family of navigation sports people, those were the halcyon days of old when Bryce was younger than young Will and Tash never knew anything tRicky, and tRicky was but a babe in arms. MrR is old so he can remember those days but maybe have forgotten
Mar 21, 2016 6:44 AM # 
I haven't forgotten. The first rogaine was advertised at an orienteering event. Imagine that happening now?

I can't speak for the WARA committee but I see no problem with having the Novelty rogaine event on a Sunday if there is an O event on the Saturday
Mar 21, 2016 6:54 AM # 
I haven't forgotten. The first rogaine was advertised at an orienteering event. Imagine that happening now?

Happened only three years ago (page 5). When was the last time orienteering was advertised in the rogaine newsletter?
Mar 21, 2016 6:55 AM # 
or alternatively if we can align the areas and time so people can do both - surely a feasible outcome too.
Mar 21, 2016 6:59 AM # 
When was the last time OWA (OAWA?) asked?

In fact, with Nick as WARA newsletter editor (until recently) and former OAWA president I'm surprised that opportunity wasn't siezed
Mar 21, 2016 7:15 AM # 
That would be the same newsletter editor who was lifting orienteers' AP logs without asking permission?

Are you seriously suggesting that WARA has been extending the olive branch for the last....oh, 5-10 years, only to be rebuffed by those nasty orienteers?
Mar 21, 2016 7:51 AM # 
How on earth did you read all of that into what I wrote?

What is you profession again, Juffy? Media adviser to a politician?
Mar 21, 2016 8:00 AM # 
*sigh* I should know better.

Don't bother arguing with MrR on AP.
Don't bother arguing with MrR on AP.
Don't bother arguing with MrR on AP.
Don't bother arguing with MrR on AP.
Don't bother arguing with MrR on AP.

If anyone needs me, I'll be writing lines on the blackboard until the end of time.
Mar 21, 2016 8:04 AM # 
XYZ wouldn't want any mention of orienteering in the WARA newsletter. His mantra is something along the lines of "Orienteering = horrible". Interesting that he's never been orienteering but is dead against rogaining looking anything vaguely similar to it.

Kind of sounds like ignorance to me.
Mar 21, 2016 8:08 AM # 
I feel like I need to create a sport that combines these two so there can be love again
I propose taking rogaining and merging it with orienteering

I think the logical name is rogering

Mar 21, 2016 8:16 AM # 
I hate to mix in some conflicting information here but last time I spoke to XYZ (not that long ago) he seemed more positive about our sports working together.

Also I recall rogaining has moved an event for orienteering this year, to accommodate for the MTBO champs and we recon loads of the people from over east may stay for the rogaine too.

I'm sure that we can get something going that works for everyone ;)
Mar 21, 2016 9:19 AM # 
I'm just curious as to why WARA didn't decide to hold the Aust Rogering Champs in about May so that people could use them as a practice race before the WRC. Holding the ARC the week before Aust Orienteering Champs in Qld is probably not going to entice a lot of people from over east, or even mid-west :(
Mar 21, 2016 11:28 AM # 
The primary consideration was that event fit in with normal WARA calendar seeing as how 90% of entrants would be locals. That left WARA two options - the winter 24 in June which was also scheduled to be our state champs or the Spring 24hr. WARA wanted to keep the state champs as a seperate event not swallowed up by the Aus Champs
Mar 21, 2016 12:24 PM # 
When was the last time OWA (OAWA?) asked?

31 August 2013
Mar 21, 2016 2:50 PM # 
Is there any apple crumble left?
Mar 21, 2016 3:22 PM # 
Yes! I made a huge tray of it (approx 10-12 servings) and only two servings have been eaten so far.
Mar 21, 2016 10:41 PM # 
Bring some to Easter :)

I'll apologise in advance for not being able to attend the ARC. Pity, because I quite enjoyed the last rogaine I attended in the west, which was in 2001!
Mar 22, 2016 12:38 AM # 
The primary consideration was that event fit in with normal WARA calendar seeing as how 90% of entrants would be locals.

You mean, make it convenient for the people who don't need to make any travel plans, or really go out of their way at all, to attend?


Oops, I'm doing it again.
Mar 22, 2016 1:13 AM # 
Even though it's not always achieved, surely the goal of holding a national championships is that a significant percentage of the attendance comes from states other than the host?

Makes me wonder how much responsibility ARA should take for distributing the ARC dates to other states as soon as the host state has decided them, so that no other 24-hour rogaines are scheduled within 4-5 weeks of the ARC. Do you know if much promotional material has been distributed to other states yet? I didn't notice anything from WARA at last year's Aust Champs in NSW.

Then again, you can see just how much the Europeans care about attending a WRC on the wrong side of the world by the fact that the European champs has been scheduled for the month afterwards.
Mar 22, 2016 1:25 AM # 
What other sport would have 90% of competitors in it's national championships from the host state? What other sport would actually plan for that outcome?
Mar 22, 2016 2:11 AM # 
80 20 rule applies here
Mar 22, 2016 2:22 AM # 
Actually, it's more like 95 5
Mar 22, 2016 2:33 AM # 
If 90% of participants were locals then having the WARA State Champs at the same time makes absolute sense - and a much greater sense of occasion, superior course setting and better placement on the calendar. (hint: you could still have WA state champions too, minus the insularity).
Mar 22, 2016 4:18 AM # 
Sounds a bit like World Series Baseball. Is this a way to make sure the Champions are of good WA Stock
Mar 22, 2016 6:07 AM # 
Would OWA run the Australian Champs and the State Champs in one course on one day for each class and have the winner declared both the Australian and State Champion?
Mar 22, 2016 6:36 AM # 
No - but they would, and frequently have, run State Champs and Australian Champs events on consecutive days or weekends to encourage more people to travel to both. They also sometimes run 'Oceania' (Aust. vs NZ) events where the Oceania and Domestic champions are awarded separately for running the same course.

Your question is a false comparison though, since it takes a lot less effort to set up and compete in two orienteering events. Since rogaining is a much more taxing sport for both organisers and competitors it makes more sense to co-locate state and national championships at the one event, just like they run 8+12+24hr events over east.
Mar 22, 2016 11:46 AM # 
When was the last time orienteering was advertised in the rogaine newsletter?

Actually the MTBO score/rogaine event that was held at Wellington Dam in May 2014 was advertised in both newsletters from memory.

I've promoted this year's October 12hr in the MTBO Champs bulletin that has been circulated to all states.

Would OWA run the Australian Champs and the State Champs in one course on one day for each class and have the winner declared both the Australian and State Champion?

The MTBO national champs this year is both that and the state champs so both run (ridden) on the same course. However the state champion must be a WA resident and from a WA club.

I quite enjoyed the last rogaine I attended in the west, which was in 2001!

That was about 90% farmland though. This year's is about 100% bush.

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