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Discussion: re: LIES

in: byrnedfish; byrnedfish > 2016-04-03

Apr 4, 2016 7:56 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
I didn't realize it was such a namby pamby race.

Great job!
Apr 4, 2016 8:05 PM # 
I heard from WWS and the ropes line, once again, was a mess. They said they had a great time with you guys!
Apr 4, 2016 8:18 PM # 
3 ropes for ascending, 1 for rappel right next door. At the end of the race, but had to do ascend, then rappel, then zipline in order. 1 team per rope.

In theory it seems like it was set up well to avoid too much bunching, but... We got there just before a real line started to form at about 6:00. but a couple slow people really jammed it up, and everyone was starting to come back from Palisades at that point.

I think they should scrap ascending since its so slow and stick to zip line, rappelling, etc. Or they could have made the 3 rogaine points at the beginning, and the 3 ropes points at the end, all rogaine style, your choice first or last, to try to spread teams out even more.

We were glad we got to do it, I think its a really selling point for the race, and I for one would be really disappointed with the hype about the ropes if I then had to be told times up can't do it.

WWS rocked it with broken wrist and all! Just got screwed by the ropes in the end. They took 2nd in our division, and I don't think many teams were able to clear the O course at Palisades.
Apr 4, 2016 8:26 PM # 
re: namby pamby

Got to cross the river plenty of times to get to ascent, from rapell, to zip line, from zip line, and a few times when we were cliffed out. It was just all at the end, which was appreciated based on the temp in the morning.
Apr 4, 2016 8:27 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
short rogaine before ropes is not much better - we left the camp in approximately last place after failing to sprint to the ascenders at the start of TR '15. It was a bit disheartening.

Teams are more spread in the middle, if they could find something to climb then it'd be better, otherwise it tends to be when everyone's in the same place: at the start, or after returning from the Palisades after a full o course makes most leave around the cut off for that section, resulting in similar arrival times, etc.

I'd be all for a prologue format. Infiterra did that for the Rage one year - Planet Rock times-to-climb seeded the start times for the big race start the next day. EG, fastest climbers leave first, then some slower penalty, but everyone out in 20-30 minutes for a 24 hour race. Versus at TR '15 we stood still for over half an hour at the base of the rope before touching it.
Apr 4, 2016 8:28 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Oh good, I didn't want you to be spared the experience of crossing!

There are a few parts where we can pull a floating Maria.
Apr 4, 2016 8:34 PM # 
I meant have the option of doing the ropes first thing in the morning during the rogaine, OR last thing when you got back. Then hopefully about 30% choose morning to avoid the end rush (and guarantee they get to do it), and 70% choose end.

(based on temp and wind forecasts, getting to and from pallisades early would have made way more sense in my opinion, but hey thats race strategy at its finest)

This would stretch volunteers out over the entire day, and I guess also interfere with the 4 hour racers. No perfect solution I suppose.
Apr 4, 2016 9:09 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
oh, i gotcha

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