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in: Dooby; Dooby > 2016-04-13

Apr 13, 2016 2:44 PM # 
It annoys me to no end.

As high performance director and the fact that this is a selection race can you email them and tell them to change it?
Apr 13, 2016 2:47 PM # 
I might lash it on facebook. Loads of people will see that.

At least they are all multiples of 4!
Apr 13, 2016 3:26 PM # 
I had a feeling you would disapprove of such a start list.
I sent LOC a message via FB and while I was at it I sent IOC one too.
Apr 13, 2016 3:30 PM # 
If you made the start interval between everyone 8 minutes you would cover the exact same start window too.
Apr 14, 2016 8:14 PM # 
Got an email from Fabian4 saying some start times have been changed to 4 minutes to make it fairer but start list to me is still unfair.
Apr 14, 2016 8:55 PM # 
Just had a word with start time coordinator and the min interval will be 6 minutes
Apr 14, 2016 9:48 PM # 
I think the point should be that the start times should be equally spaced throughout the start interval. Is there any particular reason this can't happen?
Apr 14, 2016 10:19 PM # 
Currently 3 minutes minimum interval is mentioned in the IOA guidelines.
As part of entry competitors can select in what period they'd like to start. I feel there should be vacant slots in the start list to accommodate late entries, or late arrivals.

Considering all the above and specifically to elite classes and particularly M/W21E,
Should the guidelines be amended to include, The start list should be spread evenly throughout the start window.

Should competitor requests for particular start zone (outside of split start) be ignored or only loosely followed? There are often relative high number requests for late start. They can't all be late with a wide interval.

Should we be unsympathetic to someone who is late for their start and have no vacant slots till after the start window.

The same issues are arising repeatedly. There aren't specific start times guidelines for organisers of championship events, so lets compile them for future events.
Apr 14, 2016 10:41 PM # 
I brought it up at the major events conference 2 years ago and nothing happened. I asked Ruth to bring it again this year as I couldn't attend but I forgot to check if they did.

I think if you are going to have an elite class yes you should loosely follow the requests for time blocks. You don't need to artificially create gaps in the start list for this. Simply take everyone who said late and put them at the end.

For late starts, at championship events I would be unsympathetic to late starters but you can do like the jk (or is accepted at WRE events) where they don't get a new start time unless it was the organisers fault. Again this maybe doesn't need to apply for all courses but for elite classes that are slelection races I think it's important.

Ultimately there needs to be some discussion on this and new guidelines created because the situation at the moment is not good.
Apr 14, 2016 11:16 PM # 
This is quite clear Roar. There is still time to influence the IOC. The LOC is better now than it was 2 hours ago and at this late stage I suggest it's now left as is. I believe there is another entry to be included.

I suggest you, as in the elites, discuss & compile guidelines for generation of start times for elite classes at Championship events. These to include how start times for the elite classes on courses with other classes (example W21E on course 2 with M35 M18 & M20)

These guidelines are forwarded to event organisers about 2 weeks before event, published on IOA website and ultimately included in the guidelines.

Is this a reasonable plan of action?
Apr 14, 2016 11:35 PM # 
I got benefit from woeful start time allocation in IOC 2006. M35
Mostly a 4 min start interval but a late entry was slotted in 2 mins ahead of me which was also 2 mins behind the form runner on that course. The 3 of us were together from early on till fatigue got the better of me but I still got a tow home by the 2 young lads.

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