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Discussion: BOC 82

in: Parkino; Parkino > 2016-04-19

Apr 19, 2016 9:44 PM # 
Did it bring back good memories? :-)
Apr 20, 2016 9:42 AM # 
:-) I remember the steep climb before the last two controls.
Apr 20, 2016 10:55 AM # 
I remember struggling with northern terrain - particularly rocks and slopes (going up, down or along). Plus ça change.
Apr 20, 2016 7:43 PM # 
Plus ça change, indeed.
Apr 21, 2016 1:49 PM # 
I'll tell you what's changed. 32 controls in 9.2k. We would never have got that in 1982.

Brown Clee is a big area which lends itself to having a couple of decent long legs in a 9k course.

I can't remember much about Shining Cliff in 1982. It's not an area I have ever really liked and that 1982 map was appalling. Not that I knew that then.
Apr 21, 2016 3:26 PM # 
I'd like to have a look at that map and our course, but my copy seems to have been lost. I haven't enjoyed my recent races there, but I have grown to like the area more while mapping it. I found all the nice bits at the best time of year.

32 controls, eh. About 7 too many. Oh well.

... but I see we have a spectator run through so that accounts for 2-3 extra controls.
Apr 22, 2016 7:41 AM # 
Think I have a Compass Sport (or was it The Orienteer at that stage) somewhere with your routes on!

Personally I don't mind 32 controls, particularly somewhere like Brown Clee where there would probably be a lot of dead running if there were too many longer legs. Seems odd though that M40 is the same length with a lot fewer controls.

Not everyone is adding extra controls though ...
Apr 22, 2016 12:45 PM # 
M40 have a different start, I think.
Apr 22, 2016 1:46 PM # 
Richard - I can email you a copy of our BOC course tonight. It has my route marked on it which is a tad embarrassing.

Re BOC 2016 - I do mind 32 controls. I was having a row about the course and the middlerisation of course planning on Nopesport but after a telling off by Mrs H I'm going to give up - they really are no fun over there. M40 have a lot more climb.
Apr 22, 2016 5:33 PM # 
Tim, that would be great.

My planning philosophy: step one, look for opportunities for good long legs ...
Apr 22, 2016 6:34 PM # 
Hmm... sadly you're a dying breed.
Something else I'd forgotten was how early things started in those days - the starts were from 8.30am.
The week after BOC 82 was the Midland Champs at Brown Clee Hill - M43A was 9.2km - the number of controls is not stated. We had 4.8km with 8 controls. That would equate to 16 on Saturday - half the amount we've got. BTW - you didn't win, you must have had an off day and could only manage 2nd place behind Mr Bourne.
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Apr 22, 2016 8:00 PM # 
Received, thanks. There appears to be a certain J Logue in 2nd place ... on M13B

(Starts from 8.30? Don't remember that either.)
Apr 22, 2016 9:02 PM # 
Scrappy Doo:
Richard/Tim.... that is my philosophy too, so not totally a dying breed..... and what I did first off for this years BUCS at Moseley Green... I was looking at the routes for the very long leg again today and it is amazing how different the routes that were taken, but the little difference in time between the top guys

Not sure if I ran BOC 82 (would have been M13), but did have a win at a National event at Brown Clee as an M17 or M19 I think!!
Apr 23, 2016 7:30 AM # 
You are one of the best planners in the country, in my opinion, Paul.

You were at BOC 82 ...
Apr 25, 2016 3:58 PM # 
Jon X:
I am late to this party but I remember BOC82 too, a bit of an eye opener as my first ever event outside southern England - it all felt very strange, there were rocks on the ground and everything....

Then the next week I went to my second ever, that Midland Champs at Brown Clee. I think it was open fell with contours that was too confusing and strange for me that time!

Also agreed on the control density for Saturday, let's hope we are pleasantly surprised...
Apr 25, 2016 9:23 PM # 
Another latecomer...

I have maps from both BOC 82 and Midland Champs 82. Being an old git they both have the M17A course on them.

For the record M17 at Brown Clee was 9.0 km with 14 controls. Three short legs in the technical bit and plenty of 1 km legs but no really long one.
I was 2nd, a minute down on Stu Parker who did 58. I reckon that's about what Clive or Quentin will do on Saturday.
Apr 26, 2016 11:23 AM # 
Twice as many controls as 1982. I wonder if this means we'll be kept in terrain for more of the course, middle-distance style. I'll watch out for that prediction.
May 1, 2016 9:32 AM # 
As feared BOC 2016 was planned as a (very) long middle-distance, not a single leg over 1km, maximal time in terrain, etcetera.
May 1, 2016 3:56 PM # 
Indeed. I enjoyed it all the same except (as you mentioned ) for the unmapped windblow in the forest just before the run through. What was that all about?
The map was a bit iffy generally as agreed by most i spoke to.
I got my revenge on Stu Parker for 82 ;-)
May 1, 2016 4:08 PM # 
A man with some big machines in the last 2 weeks... Did make it hard just when it should of been getting easier.
May 1, 2016 5:17 PM # 
Count me among those who said the map was "a bit iffy". Who'd have thought one man could do so much damage? (I mean the man with the big machine, not the mapper.
May 1, 2016 5:40 PM # 
The forestry works were an annoyance but the stuff of life. What I couldn't do was make any sense of the contours, particularly the marshy first third of the course - they just didn't seem to clearly convey what I was seeing on the ground - but maybe it was just me being a bit cr4p.
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