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Discussion: Routines

in: TGIF; TGIF > 2016-04-26

Apr 26, 2016 3:53 PM # 
Do you take naps between trainings on normal training day?

Do you eat something especially to help boost your immunity system and to prevent flu? How often do you have the flu?

Do you eat regularly some specific additional nutrient for better recovery?

Thank You for sharing your trainings.
Apr 26, 2016 6:01 PM # 
20min long nap is always part of my day, except when I am the whole day in the terrain like today.

It is very seldom I have a flu, and i think it has a lot to see with the food I eat. I am not taking food supplements, but I am very much into food quality and cooking. That´s probably my biggest passion after orienteering ; )
Apr 27, 2016 8:10 AM # 
Speaking of food and cooking. Sam bought some Amaranth recently to have as a grain in one of our meals, it's got a reputation as a superfood I'd say. It came out pretty bland the first time we tried to prepare it, and that had me looking around for alternative ways to cook it.

Seems like it might be fun to try popping it first. Food blogging on AP is strictly encouraged ;)
Apr 27, 2016 9:39 AM # 
Speaking of superfood, you all should try traditional "Finnish sushi" at Jukola.
Apr 27, 2016 9:57 AM # 
Apr 27, 2016 10:04 AM # 
Correct. Raw makkara at backpack temperature, straight from vacuum package.
Apr 27, 2016 1:21 PM # 
Let´s start with food blogging then...

Puffed amaranth is great indeed, but not easy to produce. I had 1/3 of success in that matter... 1/3 got burned in the bottom of the casserole, 1/3 exploded all over the kitchen (Annika was delighted), and 1/3 were perfect! ; )

Used it a lot during my "glutenfree period" for my own muesli

Apr 27, 2016 1:46 PM # 
I heard about that you eat "glutenfree". Do you still eat "glutenfree", or was it just a test for a while? Do you felt any impact from your "glutenfree" period?
Apr 27, 2016 5:55 PM # 
I tried a gluten-free regime during September/October last year, but couldn't see any improvement or weight lost. And it was too painful to enter a bakery. Our "pizza-trip" in Sardaigna finished to kill our enthusiasm.

Apr 28, 2016 7:24 AM # 
Those infographics are great. The graph in it shows one of the issues with interpreting science at an individual high performance level though. Some people do improve but others get worse - so it is interpreted as having no statistical effect on performance. Some people might see a positive though and then it must be worthwhile for them (although there could be plenty of other things at work also). The same thing is often seen with altitude training i.e. there are responders and non-responders.

I don't think I could stay away from a bakery long enough to try though.
Apr 28, 2016 12:39 PM # 
Kris, I am not sure I would take that graph literally (it is the nature of infographics that their purpose is not to be scientifically accurate, but to convey a message). In any case, even if they are, I think the graph does not necessarily show what you say. I think what you say about some people improving and others getting worse being averaged out and interpreted as "having no effect" is not the message. I think the message is that any changes to performance, positive or negative, is within the limits of statistical significance. In other words, whilst the measurements may show an actual change in any individual over time, there is no proof that that change is either a.) down to the change in nutrition or b.) significant enough to conclude that it was more than part of the variation that is part of natural randomness of measurement.
Apr 28, 2016 1:08 PM # 
Kris - I heard they opened a special bakery in Dundee just for you?
Apr 28, 2016 1:21 PM # 
I hear the Dundee chamber of commerce part-funded Kris's studies in an effort to boost the local baked-goods economy
Apr 28, 2016 1:56 PM # 
The figure is also in the origional paper. The strength of Yann le Meur's info graphics tend to be that they stick very closely to the papers they are trying to convey.

The figure does show some people improving and others getting worse. A back of the napkin calculation puts the top line at +~6% (320/300). As I said there is no way of empirically knowing the direct causes of any change.

What you say is not wrong, and perhaps I should have been clearer - but there are differing goals between the scientific and the high performance community which should be considered. The athlete or coach does not care about statistical significance. They care about performance.

Science is based on the methodical accumulation of evidence. That study doesn't provide strong evidence that there is a performance benefit to a gluten-free diet in non-celiacs. However, the evidence it provides against a performance benefit is also not strong. There is a large amount of inter-individual variation. One study on 13 varied mixed sex participants will only ever graze the surface.

Thus for an athlete seeking a performance benefit, especially if you have had problems with GI distress - what have you got to lose? Try it in the off season, see if there are improvements.

GG - Sadly not; ba-ba - No comment
Apr 28, 2016 6:28 PM # 
what have you got to lose?

Time, effort and tasty pastry. There are infinitely many possible diets to try. Oh, I nearly forgot. I have a lucky 50p coin. If you carry it orienteering, you are 12% more likely to spike a control. I can sell it to you for 743 pounds (this is a very good price, it usually goes for 2000+).
Apr 28, 2016 7:23 PM # 
You have all those things to lose. You might notice I'm not in particularly in favour of gluten free diet and am not going to be trying myself anytime soon (for all those reasons but mainly the last). I was just commenting on the science as that interests me. Based purely on that paper it looks very individual, you might be equally likely to see no change or even a negative change. Some people will take that chance and it might pay off. The authors note that some do, that's why they did the study.

There are also equally many training regimes to try.

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