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in: billh; billh > 2016-06-10

Jun 10, 2016 4:23 PM # 
matzah ball:
well, since you ask, one comment. I'll leave the rest for somebody else since you've already heard my opinions too many times:). Remember when you told us how last year you ran very little, but cycled a lot and then ran a race and got injured? Ok, now looking at your training log of the last few weeks, same or different?
Jun 10, 2016 5:42 PM # 
true, but much more run-based buildup prior to that . . . I intentionally laid off the volume for two big races, stl games and riverfront mile, but kept my JD R workouts, maybe I should have dropped the R workouts and kept the easy runs? or half and half? the reason for the JD workouts was I knew I would not be competitive for the races, so training through them, but wanted to be able to give a race effort so didn't want to get too fatigued with lots of E miles, like those double runs to and from metro I was doing daily. I really think had I done my regular R workout that morning, the 4x600 and 4x200 I would have been fine. I think straw that broke the camels back was that unusual 12x200m BRR speed session, both time of day and short recovery jog. well, hopefully the calf injury is not season ending. no pain walking today but I can feel pain if I squeeze it, unlike the healthy side. I guess if it feels like this tomorrow, should not race, just make it worse.
Jun 10, 2016 7:09 PM # 
matzah ball:
its hard to do it all, do the workouts, keep up the mileage do the races, stay healthy. Been struggling w it myself. Personally it seems better to err on the over-effort side, because under can make you question why do it at all. Sometimes even 'over' ends up seeming barely sufficient in retrospect, gotta answer to the call and make sure your mind is not playing tricks on you. have heard many times the recovery between hard (in your case, speedwork) days is where you build a better runner.

JD like to put focus on one aspect of training in one phase, base miles in phase 1, speedwork in phase 2, intervals phsae 3, and then tempo in phase 4. Maybe ok, if you are have been there before, have confidence in your complete development as a runner and you are training for a upcoming season specifically. I don't think that works for late middle aged people such as ourselves who don't have a well-rounded running background and are trying to develop all sorts of skills to meet the demands of sporadic local races. It also depends on what plays into your weakness, I found that phase 3 intervals really address a lot of my weaknesses as a runner, and that R speedwork lets me think I am doing great when I am really not. So if that was your case, all you'd have to do now is start phase 3, really putting in an honest effort to meet a weekly mileage, sufficient form on your easy and long runs so you are focusing on stride and mechanics and not just shuffling along, and do the intervals interspersed w a weekly R workout and some tempo work

PT told me 'squeezing' is counter-productive, follow tissue fibers. Try jogging, if it hurts no go. If not hurt jogging, try a light but fast stride. If it hurts no go. If not hurt, maybe race smooth w a compression sleeve.
Jun 10, 2016 7:33 PM # 
after sitting for awhile, it is pretty stiff and sore . . . if it feels tomorrow am like it does now, definitely will not run. maybe that is my answer. not likely to get a miracle cure overnight. oh well. another race down the drain.

ps--I was just squeezing to test the pain level . . . not as a therapy . . . yeah it is still tender but not to the point of real pain

ps--who am I kidding . . . I'M DONE!
Jun 10, 2016 7:48 PM # 
matzah ball:
hopefully good for next week!
Jun 11, 2016 2:27 AM # 
don't go. it wasn't that much $ and it's not worth worsening your injury.
Jun 11, 2016 8:35 PM # 
I didn't go. heard rudy got 2nd AG in the 1500, suffering in the heat.

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