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Discussion: JWOC 2016 Sprint thread

in: JWOC 2016 - Engadin, Switzerland

Jul 9, 2016 7:28 PM # 
JWOC started today with the opening ceremony.
Photos from Dave Yee. (Note Emily Kemp on the big screen!!)

Start lists have been posted for tomorrow's Sprint race in Scuol, Switzerland. Join me here as we watch live starting at 9am Swiss time (3am Boston time).

Link to find out more about the US team
This year's blog

Online spectating should be good again this year. Here is link to JWOC Live pages.
Race times, Switzerland time zone:

  • Sunday July 10, 9:00-12:30, Sprint (live ticker, results, GPS and TV; startlists will publish at 19:00 CET on July 9)
  • Monday July 11, 9:00-16:30, Long
  • Wednesday July 13, 10:00-12:30, Middle Qual
  • Thursday July 14, 9:00-10:00, Middle B Final
  • Thursday July 14, 10:00-13:30, Middle A Finals
  • Friday July 15, 10:30-13:15, Relays
Jul 9, 2016 7:45 PM # 
USA and Canada starters:

Start TimeNameCountry
09:01Michael LaraiaUSA
09:05Michael SvobodaCAN
09:12Robert GrahamCAN
09:26Emma SherwoodCAN
09:37Julia DoubsonUSA
09:46Austin FowlerUSA
09:53Amanda JohanssonUSA
09:56Christian MichelsenCAN
10:01Pia BlakeCAN
10:12Emma WaddingtonCAN
10:16Jan Erik NaessCAN
10:20Evalin BrautigamUSA
10:33Tyra ChristophersonUSA
10:43Martin HeirUSA
10:53Thomas LaraiaUSA
11:03Caelan Pangman McleanCAN
11:03Nicole WhitmoreCAN
11:11Anton SalmenkylaUSA
11:25Aasne Skram TroemborgUSA
11:37Leif BlakeCAN
11:43Peter ZakrevskiUSA
Jul 10, 2016 12:01 AM # 
Thanks, Barb! I won't be up at 3:00 am to watch, but will check results later in the day. Hope everyone runs well and enjoys sprinting in Scuol!
Jul 10, 2016 7:05 AM # 
Oh boy! It has started
Jul 10, 2016 7:34 AM # 
Looks like Michael had a good run. He's in line to take eleventh.

Make that ninth. A couple of runners must have made mistakes.
Jul 10, 2016 7:48 AM # 
I guess they still had some fast runners to go.

Julia started out well.
Jul 10, 2016 7:54 AM # 
The announcer called out Julia as she finished, currently in third.
Jul 10, 2016 8:17 AM # 
And a great start for Emma Waddington too! Woo hoo!
Jul 10, 2016 8:29 AM # 
Yea Emma
Jul 10, 2016 8:34 AM # 
Any idea why a place isn't displayed for Michael S?
Jul 10, 2016 8:35 AM # 
Looks like solid races by Emma and Julia both already in to the finish. Lots of Runners still to go, but looking good so far.
Jul 10, 2016 11:22 AM # 
Go fenry - 6th place!
Jul 10, 2016 12:14 PM # 
The courses look challenging and fun.
Jul 10, 2016 12:39 PM # 
Fletch + 1 - podium finish justifies hijack of US/Can thread! Brilliant run by Fenry (or is he Janfan?) bodes well for WOC.
Jul 10, 2016 12:41 PM # 
So while I am very impressed with all the athletes today, I finally got to take a look at the courses - unlike Misha I can't say I'm very impressed! A lot of time spent in contrived legs around fake fences on parks, when the town itself had way more in the way of interesting route choice opportunities. I suppose this was for the spectators sake, but it was very unclear who was at which point in their race unless you kept a close eye on both the start list and the common control, so I'm not sure it really worked. I'd have liked to see something more interesting.
Jul 10, 2016 12:52 PM # 
Fair enough, Becky. Why did each course have two start triangles? That does seem confusing for someone like me, who is five orders of magnitude farther away from the action.
Jul 10, 2016 1:09 PM # 
The course was on two sides of paper- so the second start triangle was the start of the second part of the course, on the second side of the paper.
Jul 10, 2016 1:14 PM # 
I guess the comments from Becky relates to how difficult it was to follow the race on-site? I think the live Internet was probably easier since they picked the best runners to show.
Courses looked OK - even the fenced-in part that made for some extra challenges - but I suppose they could have been just as good with only what the town had to offer in terms of streets and alleys - in general I´m not a great fan of all these artificial fences.
Jul 10, 2016 1:21 PM # 
Leif, are you saying that the fences in the finish area were put up just for this event? I can see now that this is what Becky was talking about when she was talking about contrived legs around fake fences.
Jul 10, 2016 1:29 PM # 
Yeah! When we left the fields after the opening ceremony yesterday, there were no fences! Today there were these crappy orange construction fences in there, for added 'challenge.' I think the challenge was likely stronger with what the town already had.
Jul 10, 2016 2:12 PM # 
How do you feel about urban sprint as a discipline in general? Specifically, do you feel that it benefits orienteering overall? It seems that it has potential to attract participants who might start out as spectators. At the same time, it seems that the compromises that are made in course setting in order to attract spectators might not be beneficial for the orienteers who run the courses.
Jul 10, 2016 2:20 PM # 
Sprint photos by Dave Yee.
Jul 10, 2016 2:23 PM # 
Way to go, Juniors! Great start to JWOC.
Jul 10, 2016 2:28 PM # 
Misha - love them in general!
Jul 10, 2016 3:59 PM # 
My sprint photos. Some US and Canadian runners included (mostly Finnish).
Jul 10, 2016 5:40 PM # 
Tony C:
Wendy took some photos today of thug, Irish and USA runners. Follow the link below to access the photos.
Jul 10, 2016 7:27 PM # 
@barb: Are Dave's photos also posted on a dedicated photo site like Smugmug. For viewing large numbers of pics, Facebook leaves a lot to be desired...
Jul 10, 2016 7:35 PM # 
Don't know.
Jul 10, 2016 8:04 PM # 
Dave's sprint photos also available at:
Jul 10, 2016 10:06 PM # 
Thanks, Dave!
Jul 10, 2016 11:35 PM # 
Thanks to everyone who posted photos! (and yes, smugmug does work better than facebook for photo sharing).
Jul 11, 2016 12:27 AM # 
Love the urban sprint format in general. But I agree, I also detest the contrived fences except perhaps to block single gates or passages where the direct route would be too simple. Course Setters should make the most of the existing terrain. If you want contrived, grow corn and cut a corn maze!
Jul 11, 2016 1:20 AM # 
I thought part of the purpose of the fences was to add to the terrain since anyone preparing seriously will have made their own map from Google street view and considered many, many of the leg options.
Jul 11, 2016 4:08 AM # 
That's true, but all the fences do is make it a right or left instant route choice decision, and if one way is even only 10m shorter that could make a 1-2 second difference which could be significant. No-one can be expected to pick the difference between two routes of 400m and 420m, so in my view the placing of the fences could breach the fairness rule. And that's not including whether they are actually placed in the mapped positions on the day.
Jul 11, 2016 4:16 AM # 
As a spectator and also having running the women's course afterwards I felt that that the fences worked well. it made for a great route choice leg and then a critical set of legs at the end of the course that allowed for great drone coverage. several participants mentioned it surprised them. speaking of participants how about a discussion on them! Repeat gold for Simone A. and she still has two more years as a junior! Swiss men's domination. Meghan Carter Davies (GBR) just off the podium. 39 countries! the real stories are the athletes (their photos, their stories, their inspiration and motivation). Makes for better AP reading that the "this is really getting old" (but kinda expected) technical ranting.
Jul 11, 2016 12:53 PM # 
Agree with the drone coverage - and the fences added to that bit - so yes, in that respect they were a positive touch to the courses.
Jul 11, 2016 1:10 PM # 
A note from one of the course setters.

We didn't add the fences for the fun of it but to improve the courses. It was mainly for two reasons, one was rhat it added some difficulty to the part after the arena passage. Without it, it would have been blunt running through the open park. Due to distance and climb we could not go a second time to the "interesting" old part.

Second, the long route would have been very obvious and much faster. Also here we think it added to make the course more interesting.

At no point we wanted to have it just for the spectators.

By the way, we set an identical fence on the model map close to one of the controlls crossing a trail.

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