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Discussion: WUOC Sprint

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Jul 31, 2016 10:50 AM # 
Tricky area with some more difficulties thrown in by the organizers. Lots of DQs in the women's race. A bit less than an hour of starts left in the men's race. Any commentary?
Jul 31, 2016 11:52 AM # 
Good luck Greg
Jul 31, 2016 11:55 AM # 
I'm not running. No longer a university student.
Jul 31, 2016 11:58 AM # 
Great race by Kris Jones of GB. To win a sprint race by over 30 secs on no mean feat.
Jul 31, 2016 12:29 PM # 
GBR takes 1st, 6th, 9th and 12th in men's race and 7th and 8th in women's race. awesome results! I'm particularly happy to see former McMaster Uni student (int'l exchange) and DGL member Charlotte Ward take 7th place!!
Jul 31, 2016 2:13 PM # 
Are the DQ's running through the out of bounds areas?
Jul 31, 2016 2:36 PM # 
At the elite level, I see DQs as an indictment of the course setting team (and a blow to the credibility of the sport) rather than a mark against the runners.
Jul 31, 2016 3:32 PM # 
Reports from the Spanish team say that it was difficult to get in any sort of flow, and that it was very easy to DQ. In other words, out-of-bounds sections that were easy to run through and not marked in any way.

I agree with you, Clem. It seems to be unfortunately common though; so many variables which could go the wrong way in an O-event.
Jul 31, 2016 4:05 PM # 
I'd be interested in which OOB area is the problem. The vast majority of the olive green appears to be inside of fences so I'm not sure how someone would get in there accidentally even if they weren't in perfect map contact. There are a few of what seem to be random purple OOB areas just blocking streets, but most of them don't appear to be near any sensible routes. (Looking only at women's map.) Google aerials and street view here are poor so don't give much insight.

That castle or fort thing just looks like a total maze. Now I'm certainly no elite, but I'm having trouble finding routes at all while sitting still with the map blown up on a computer screen.
Jul 31, 2016 4:14 PM # 
It sounds like the tricky area was the OOB south of the canal. And for the men's race there were streamers put out.
Jul 31, 2016 4:25 PM # 
Yeah there were no streamers that I can remember for the women but streamers were there on a fence for an opening in the fence you could use coming out of 5. But it was clearly marked on the map as OFB and there were enough officials around that I double checked and it did make the course much more interesting at the start. I enjoyed the whole thing and the streamers and everything I felt were very well done especially around olive green. No complaints just slow :) but guess that's what final year does to you!
Jul 31, 2016 11:15 PM # 
Can someone post links to results, maps? I mean, I could search, or someone already following the races could do it for me :)
Jul 31, 2016 11:49 PM # 
it's a slow day
Aug 1, 2016 1:33 AM # 
I do see the little gap in the fence now that would make a route choice through the road S of canal if the OOB wasn't there. That OOB seems pretty clear and obvious on the map though. Men had same leg so the large difference in results is interesting with vs without streamers.
Aug 1, 2016 4:24 AM # 
graeme said "The "trap" on women's 4-5 illustrates how red striped OOB doesn't work. On 8-9 it is literally impossible to tell whether the west route is legitimate because the gap between OOB red lines is wider than the (possibly) in bounds sidewalk."
To me the red stripe works on 4-5; it rules out approaching 5 from the NE.
On 8-9, agreed that the OOB on the western option is unclear. I think editing of the OOB red stripe would have made it clearer (shorten the offending stripe). I'm assuming most people would have just chose the eastern option in any case.
Aug 1, 2016 4:44 AM # 
@O-ing To me the red stripe works on 4-5
Yes, it seems clear to me as well. But it didn't work for the dozen or so runners who got DQed there.
Aug 1, 2016 3:10 PM # 
@o-ing we were given a blown up version of the other out of bounds area that you mention in the team leaders meeting and they made it clear that the sidewalks were in bounds. So that should have been obvious to the runner after being given that piece of information.
I agree 4-5 was obvious and didn't need anything there just like the other road had nothing. I don't see what the difference is between this and the same markings in a forest event. Sprints we now know they are making things harder and were told there would be out of bounds.
Aug 2, 2016 4:17 PM # 
and while attackpoint debates the thicknesses and colours of lines on the map....

GBR takes gold in the sprint relay at World University Champs.

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