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Discussion: Course Lengths

in: North American Orienteering Championships 2016 (Sep 23–25 - Hanover, NH, US)

Aug 23, 2016 11:43 PM # 

Are course lengths for NAOC available somewhere? I couldn't find them on the NAOC website.
Aug 25, 2016 1:23 PM # 
Were there any WRE bulletins released? They often have course info at some point. Not sure if they are required any longer... I haven't looked for bulletins and I haven't kept up with WRE requirements.

I know I am not running blue, that's for sure!
Aug 25, 2016 1:55 PM # 
I read the one bulletin that's been posted. No course lengths there.
Aug 25, 2016 1:57 PM # 
Maybe we could race each other on the green course? ;)
Aug 25, 2016 2:01 PM # 
I was thinking about green for the long and blue for middle. Want to join me?
Aug 25, 2016 2:09 PM # 
Aye. I could do that.
Aug 25, 2016 2:15 PM # 
Blue, green, blue.
Aug 25, 2016 2:23 PM # 
Ok, I'll do the same.
Aug 25, 2016 2:24 PM # 
What would Thierry do?

Also, are you talking about courses or resistors?'

Go Tove!
Aug 25, 2016 2:29 PM # 
65 M Ohms
Aug 25, 2016 2:40 PM # 
Thierry would train and not be weak.
Aug 25, 2016 5:28 PM # 
Back to the original question---No the actual course lengths are not available in the bulletins or on the website. Only estimated winning times are listed.

From what I know, the courses should be finalized by Sept. 1 so the actual course lengths will probably be publicized sometime after that.
Aug 25, 2016 5:29 PM # 
When is the regular entry deadline?
Aug 25, 2016 5:35 PM # 
Sept 2nd
Aug 25, 2016 5:52 PM # 
Is it possible to at least get approximate course lengths and control numbers? Surely those must already exist.
Aug 25, 2016 6:40 PM # 
I don't have any info on the middle or long other than where the model events will be. I do have info on the Sprint but I think it will change so I'm hesitant to give you the preliminary lengths. If the sprint distances make a big difference to you (I mean it pretty much sounds like you are planning to enter blue, green blue based on your above comment), let me know and I'll see what I can release.

For the middle and long, there were events there in 2003 and the results are here

I think the 2003 course distances at Burnt Mtn. where 8.0 K for blue, 6.6K for Red, 4.8 K for Green. At Storrs Pond-Oak Hill, I think the 2003 course distances were 7.5K for Blue, 5.9K for Red and 4.4 K for green. Of course the woods have probably changed and the map has been updated but the above distances and times should give you a rough approximation of what to expect.

Oh, and as you know, TGIF will be there so you need to factor that in to.
Aug 25, 2016 7:13 PM # 
But TGIF wouldn't have any effect on NAOC course lengths?
Aug 25, 2016 8:50 PM # 
okay, I'm not the course setter so didn't bother getting into those rules but the event is a WRE for M/F21 (and maybe M/F20?) so I think those rules and winning times is what governs those courses. So, I suspect TGIF's presence will effect the course length on M21.
Aug 25, 2016 9:38 PM # 
Yes WRE for M/F 20 as well. It's an IOF Junior Championship event.

I can't speak to course lengths, but the WRE courses will be to IOF WRE standard winning times and the other courses to US Rules winning times. As stated on the Registration page of the NAOC website.
Aug 25, 2016 9:52 PM # 
I'm curious how that is going to work because the top US runner will be about 40% behind Thierry for the middle and long.

It would be impossible for one elite course to be consistent with US competition rules with respect to winning times ( relevant data spread across a few pages) if they were calibrated to the IOF WRE standards ( pg. 38)

I'm curious to see how this is resolved, but I guess the elite courses will not be set to US standards.
Aug 25, 2016 10:21 PM # 
wait, so the course length will depend on who's registered? and potential registrants are waiting for the course lengths? sweet.
Aug 25, 2016 10:27 PM # 
Who actually attends the event has no effect on estimated winning times for the courses. The estimated winning times are defined relative to a "theoretical" runner. In the case of courses designed to OUSA Rules, it is the "100-point runner" for that course based on the OUSA Rankings. For WRE/IOF courses, it is the world elite, so Thierry (and Emily) should be a pretty good measure of how close we get for the M and F 21 courses.

J-man, your guess is correct, since the M and F21 courses are IOF events (NA Regional Champs and also WREs) they are governed by IOF Rules (as are M and F20 which are IOF NA Champs for juniors). All other courses at NAOC are governed by OUSA Rules.
Aug 31, 2016 3:29 PM # 
NAOC 2016 course and map scale details, and classes assigned to each course, are now posted on the NAOC 2016 website

Janet Tryson
Aug 31, 2016 5:59 PM # 
Aug 31, 2016 6:00 PM # 
Thank you Janet!
Aug 31, 2016 7:44 PM # 
Don't thank me, thank the course setting team. I just posted what they gave me (late last night).
Sep 14, 2016 1:14 AM # 
Prediction for Red-X courses winning times for record:
middle 41:00
long 90:00
sprint 20:00
Sep 14, 2016 3:03 AM # 
Don't be such a slacker Sergey! ;)
Sep 14, 2016 4:02 PM # 
Nope! All based on my universal formula :)

Revised sprint a little though as I think they gave length along the preferred route.
Sep 27, 2016 8:27 PM # 
Need to revise my formula that overestimated about 10% longer :)
middle 39:00 vs. 41:00
long 80:00 vs. 90:00
sprint 17:30 (I could do it under 17:00 if not for my mistake) vs. 20:00

May be older guys speed should, indeed, be 10% faster than assumed.

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