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Aug 31, 2016 9:38 PM # 
Hammer:
I'd love to see that.

But I mean come on how could/would anybody want to do an attack ad on the coalition-5 and their awesome vision.

Anti Boris G birthers perhaps?

"Boris wasn't born in 'merica and he wants to run for OUSA board. We say where is his birth certificate Boris? 2 years of Boris and he will drop the age of the average orienteer and take away your A meet medals and ranking system. Higher taxes, fewer medals. Say no to Boris"
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Aug 31, 2016 9:41 PM # 
edwarddes:
Since you probably don't see the OUSA club net posts, here is what was said:

Dear Members of Orienteering USA:

After five years as president of Orienteering USA, I am stepping down due to other commitments. I feel, however, that it is appropriate for me to express my views on the upcoming election. I believe that everyone running for the board wishes to increase involvement of juniors who are the future of our sport and to help clubs with their needs, whatever they may be. By running, all the candidates are stating that they want to invest a lot of time and energy to improve our organization.

At the Annual General Meeting on September 17, there will be an election for members of the board. This has been discussed by a recent post by Boris Granovskiy and this election is one that may change the direction of Orienteering USA. There is a call to have volunteers do more of the tasks of the organization. Of course, the energy of volunteers is what drives our organization and we obviously need to have their talent and time. At the same time, getting things done requires a time commitment. I was asked to be on the board a number of times before I retired but knew that I could not be a good board member and also work full time. A number of the younger people running for the board have been asked in the past if they would be on the board but, when they looked at their time commitments, they opted not to run. The present board has been working toward the very same goals as the coalition aspires to. The ideas are not new although there are some different perspectives on how to achieve those goals.

During my time as president, the board has sought input from clubs and individuals around the country for ideas and those ideas have been forwarded to the clubs. The issues are complex to deal with because every club is different, has different goals for the future and has their own leadership. This is not a bad thing, it is just that what is good for one club is not always good for another. Another issue is that some of the things that are started initially have lots of volunteers working on them but after a period of time, the workload falls on a smaller and smaller group of people. The energy of volunteers is what drives our organization and we obviously need to have their ideas, talent and time.

Four of the people running for the Board are not as constrained by time as some of the coalition candidates are. It is not to say that the heart of the coalition is not in the right place, it is just that other commitments make it difficult to get everything done. Here are the candidates that I believe have the right combination of time, energy and commitment to best help Orienteering USA:

Clare Durand is retired and now working with a large part of her “free” time to expand orienteering opportunities California and wants to expand these initiatives around the country. Clare also has “institutional memory” as she was past president, Silva Award winner and is someone who never stopped doing things when she stopped being president.

Gavin Wyatt-Mair is family-oriented, another representative from the West helping to ensure our Board isn’t mostly Boston-based, and most especially someone with tremendous executive experience with both a vision and know-how that our Board needs. He has long range goals for what the organization should be doing.

Pat Meehan has been on the board and as present VP Finance has been thinking about how the budgeting process can be streamlined, made more transparent and he also is someone who gets things done. His involvement over the years with the Flying Pig shows his dedication and ability to make things happen and understand both regional and national issues.

Donna Fluegel knows how the organization works and has the connections to get volunteers active and motivated. Her institutional memory goes back many years and as Secretary of Orienteering USA Donna has almost single-handedly kept programs such as National Orienteering Day going. If you’ve got some energy to volunteer for OUSA, see Donna, who’s never lacking in projects to reach out to new orienteers.

Please, as you think about your voting at the AGM, read all the candidate’s statements. Every one of them wants to help Orienteering USA move forward. A link to those statements is here.

Peter Goodwin

President Orienteering USA
Aug 31, 2016 9:45 PM # 
Becks:
This has made me extremely angry. How dare he say that people who have jobs are not valid board members?

This disgusts me. I don't even know where to start.
Aug 31, 2016 10:05 PM # 
Hammer:
So what it saying is just wait 30 years and when you retire you can contribute. Crikey

yeah that post was blunt and a full on attack while the position statements of the collation were imho respectful of current and previous volunteers
Aug 31, 2016 10:53 PM # 
Nev-Monster:
Wow, that was one crazy message from an outgoing president!
Sep 1, 2016 12:10 AM # 
umeditor:
The fact it was sent to a list I've never heard of even after orienteering for several years now highlights how insular our community can be. If anyone else is looking, I think you can request access here. I hope that we get some diversity (employment status??) on the board to better represent the entire orienteering community.
Sep 1, 2016 12:52 AM # 
acjospe:
It's worth noting that Peter has personally asked both me and Boris to serve on the board in past years. Regardless as to how things turn out, I think one of the most important actions of any BOD member is to be able to collaborate. So hopefully Peter's statement doesn't create rifts, either now or later.
Sep 1, 2016 1:35 AM # 
iansmith:
I sympathize, Alex, and I was also offended.

I was however reminded of a recent pertinent quote:

"I often find that being told I can't do something absolutely guarantees that I will do it. Don't let vocal negativity (often from a minority, and sometimes passing) squash your enduring passion. Let me know if you ever need to be reminded of that!" - cmpbllv
Sep 1, 2016 1:46 AM # 
jtorranc:
I particularly like "another representative from the West helping to ensure our Board isn’t mostly Boston-based" when not one of the current board members lives in Massachusetts - I hadn't realized people in Boston have such inherent intensity that four of them (generously counting Boris and the soon-moving Ian) could constitute a majority of a twelve member board.
Sep 1, 2016 2:02 AM # 
acjospe:
Well, you know how we drive up here :)
Sep 1, 2016 3:08 AM # 
jtorranc:
What, are you trying to give him ammunition now?

In fairness, he didn't accuse coalition members of having low moral character or secretly being responsible for the abolition of qualification races at WOC or anything similar. Nevertheless, a truly astonishing lack of awareness that in some quarters gerontocracy might not be considered the ideal form of government and that the electorate might not think what OUSA needs to do is stay the course.
Sep 1, 2016 8:14 AM # 
blairtrewin:
I'm trying to remember the last time we had a contested election for any position on the Orienteering Australia board. I think it was 2001.
Sep 1, 2016 9:19 AM # 
kissy:
That's almost what amazes me the most. Normally, we are twisting people's arms to be on the Board. We've had a vacant seat for a year now because no one would run. And here you have five willing and eager people running for the Board and you fight it??? And young people to boot....exactly what we are saying US orienteering needs. Crazy times.
Sep 1, 2016 9:52 AM # 
blairtrewin:
Incidentally, the IOF Council members all have day jobs (mostly outside orienteering), some of them pretty demanding ones - the new President, Leho Haldna, is CEO of an engineering company - and they seem to cope.

You would certainly need to be prepared for the amount of time you might have to put in, although I'm sure you're going into this with your eyes open. The impression I get is that the role and operational responsibilities of board members in the US are probably fairly similar to those in Australia (we also have an ED-equivalent, although his responsibilities are somewhat different to Glen's). I'd probably put in something like 10-15 hours/week on average, although that includes IOF work as well as OA.
Sep 1, 2016 1:41 PM # 
RLShadow:
I agree with kissy. When I first saw the slate of candidates, I didn't realize there was any "coalition" but my first take was -- we need more youth in orienteering, so on general principles my vote would go for the younger people running, especially since from what I've read from some of their postings on AP and from other ways of knowing a few things about them, they're all quite competent, energetic, hard working, and have the good of the sport at heart.
Sep 1, 2016 2:21 PM # 
j-man:
That is crazy. I didn't see if either. I was missing this thread--I hadn't realized it was in actually in Alex's log.

Anyway, keep your heads up. Some things are worth fighting for.
Sep 1, 2016 2:46 PM # 
Hammer:
>I hadn't realized it was in actually in Alex's log.

That was my fault. Sorry (so Canadian eh). It is just that I am intrigued by American political attack ads. They worked for a few years in Canada but the division they created was not liked by we Canucks so they have pretty much disappeared here now. I just never thought we would see them in our awesome and small sport.

Oh by the way the volunteer group that started Adventure Running Kids included two full-time teachers, a full time prof, the CEO of a start-up pharma company (and neurology prof), a partner at one of Canada's largest law firms and a head IT dude at a large multi-national. ARK would not have been a success if it were not for the great decisions made by the HKF boards in the 1970s and 80s. Those full time teachers, profs, lawyers, accountants, etc at the time had the vision to target schools, wrote books, made countless maps and hosted large national and international races that put the club in the financial and infrastructure position to be bold and create ARK today (we are on track for 750+ participants again this fall which will be our 8th season in a row over 500 kids).

Oh and it is worth noting that we got 'buy in' from the community because several of the coaches of ARK were current and former National team members and/or top local trail running athletes. Would ARK have happened if HKF/GHO/DGL didn't have an elite team legacy? I seriously doubt it. The previous HKF board members made it a priority to support National team members and that has paid off in spades.

Good luck and let DGL know if we can be of help if youth programs are targeted.
Sep 1, 2016 3:10 PM # 
fossil:
Since this is looking like it could be a polarized election, it's important for folks to understand the voting process. As I understand it, every member has a vote, (family memberships = 2 votes). If you don't appear in person your vote will be cast by someone else. Default = delegate(s) from your primary club. If your club doesn't send a delegate it can proxy someone else to cast its votes.

If you have a preference over how your vote is cast you should find out how your club delegate(s) plan to vote and either a) try to sway them if you disagree, or b) show up at the AGM and claim the right to cast your own vote.
Sep 1, 2016 3:19 PM # 
jtorranc:
IIUC, family memberships = 2 votes to cast only if two family members are present at the meeting. The second vote would revert to your primary club if only one family member can be there.
Sep 1, 2016 4:56 PM # 
umeditor:
I wonder if my two-year-old can vote? She's listed as a "sub-member" on our family membership.
Sep 1, 2016 7:08 PM # 
Ari-o:
Ad opens with a picture of Alex running through a field of wildflowers towards a control.

[Deep Scary Voice] Alex Jospé says she is an orienteer. But is she really?

Picture fades to black and white, high contrast. Then fades to a picture of Alex skiing.

Does this look like orienteering?

Picture changes to Alex waxing skis for juniors

What about this? Have you ever waxed your dibbler?

Picture changes to Alex at work, looking at a GIS spreadsheet.

And does this look like an orienteer to you?

Picture changes back to Alex punching a control.

Alex Jospé may say she's an orienteerer, but we know the truth. Alex Jospé. Wrong for OUSA. Wrong for America.

[Fast "fine print" voice] Paid for by a committee who thinks that the only people suitable for the OUSA board are retirees and people without jobs and certainly not people who just came home from WOC.
Sep 1, 2016 8:32 PM # 
fossil:
Patrick that's actually a good question. I'm wondering if my 15-year-old can vote because he might end up being the only other family member present. Rereading the voting bylaws, John is correct, 2 family members must be present to claim both votes. The wording appears to support juniors voting a family membership vote, though this is suspect because they're explicitly disallowed from voting if they're a junior (non-family) member.

Frankly I'd much rather he be off having fun somewhere with his other junior friends than being dragged to the AGM by me. So hoping to discover in advance that our club delegate(s) are voting as we would.
Sep 1, 2016 8:56 PM # 
umeditor:
Maybe families can proxy their two votes to two other people?
Sep 1, 2016 10:38 PM # 
Hammer:
Ari-OSM
Sep 3, 2016 5:59 PM # 
peggyd:
I'm pretty shocked by Peter's note. He has a right to express his opinion about who he thinks should be elected, but implying that people who are not retired don't have the time to devote to OUSA is not fair. So maybe he couldn't do it when he was working; that doesn't mean other people can't. I know my own limitations and he clearly knows his, but people are not identical. I am constantly amazed by, for example, Barb B's tireless actions. And I've read about Ian just about killing himself to get a meet put on. I think whether one has a job outside of orienteering or not should be a non-issue.
Let's instead vote on the platforms.
(I really need to touch base with my club ... see what they're thinking and whether I should vote by myself ...)
Sep 4, 2016 2:02 AM # 
kissy:
@peggyd: if you can get your club to tell you how it's voting. Evidently the QOC board is keeping its discussions pretty confidential.
Sep 4, 2016 2:12 PM # 
triple-double:
Hmmm-shouldn't the voting reflect the views of club members, in principle at least?
Sep 4, 2016 2:24 PM # 
jtorranc:
Views differ as to what principles apply.
Sep 4, 2016 7:47 PM # 
smittyo:
As it is apparent that some members are getting their only election information from Attackpoint, I will repost here my response to Peter's post that is copied above.

I appreciate Peter's support for my candidacy. I must, however, disagree with some of his reasoning. It is true that we have a working board, which requires a big time commitment. It's important that we elect Board members who are prepared, not just to make policy, but to follow through on the tasks needed to implement those policies. I was originally elected to the board at the age of 36 and served for 13 years. I served as President while simultaneously working as a full-time High School teacher. I've worked with excellent board members who were young and busy and I've worked with board members who were retired and ineffective. Whether someone is ready to make the commitment to be a good board member is in their character, not their age or employment status.
Sep 5, 2016 12:58 AM # 
cmpbllv:
Thanks for sharing, Clare!
Sep 5, 2016 9:09 PM # 
acjospe:
Hey Clare, thank you for sharing. I just read your emails on Clubnet (being off the grid for the weekend is fun, but leaves some catch-up...), and I absolutely agree that we can't afford to be devisive. The community is small enough. Maybe we made a mistake in forming a "coalition", but at the same time, being part of that coalition has given me the courage to run for this BOD position in the first place. So I can see where it may seem exclusionary, but that is absolutely not the intent of the coalition, nor my intent as a candidate. I really do want to work with existing members and learn from the existing institutional knowledge that is stored in people's heads!
Sep 6, 2016 3:20 AM # 
smittyo:
Thanks, Alex. It's nice to hear that I'm understood by a Coalition member.
Sep 6, 2016 12:40 PM # 
smittyo:
If I do get elected, I'm excited about working with some new board members who want to push things in new directions. Thanks for running!

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