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in: Pink Socks; Pink Socks > 2016-09-10

Sep 12, 2016 6:40 AM # 
For both of the above.
Sep 12, 2016 11:53 AM # 
courses and maps look spectacular!!
Sep 12, 2016 3:09 PM # 
Yes, wow.
Sep 12, 2016 3:48 PM # 
I'm amazed by your tournament bracket posterboard. It is a masterpiece.
Sep 12, 2016 3:49 PM # 
Excellent job- kudos!
Sep 12, 2016 3:51 PM # 
Courses and maps were spectacular! Another amazing weekend exploring random little parts of Seattle (maybe a few more than we intended.... we need to be more prepared with directions next time!)
Sep 12, 2016 5:07 PM # 
@W Olive green and high walls for the first, immovable hard object for the second.
Sep 12, 2016 6:55 PM # 
I would have gone if it had been called sprint O. ;-)
Sep 12, 2016 9:40 PM # 
Absolutely amazing job!! The TT and the last 3 races where my favourite :D I can't wait until next year!!
Sep 13, 2016 1:03 AM # 
Wait, there was orienteering at this event?
Sep 13, 2016 1:33 AM # 
As Bill Simmons and most Canadians would say: kudos!!
Sep 14, 2016 2:58 AM # 
Hammer actually used the O Word just now?
Sep 14, 2016 3:05 AM # 
actually just the letter O which is probably worse than saying the word in full
Sep 14, 2016 6:50 PM # 
Pink Socks:
Thanks for the kind words, everyone!

I'm amazed by your tournament bracket posterboard.

It's actually a vinyl banner, which is easier to transport and is weatherproof, and yet allows a Sharpie to write on it. I think I got it for $28 shipped, so it's pretty cheap. The one imperfect thing about it is that the fine print quality isn't fantastic, so the 6's and 8's kinda look alike on it, but that's a minor quibble for something that's pretty awesome in so many other ways. It's also the bonus prize for the Grand Champion to take home.

Disqualifications at SPU

A lot of factors were at play here. Some were the competitors' faults, some were mine, and some were unlucky. After the two previous rounds in forested parks, I really wanted to amp up the technicality at SPU, since the map allowed for it. The campus is built on a hill, so there are a lot of retaining walls, a mix of crossable and uncrossable, and there's a lot of really nice landscaping, mapped as olive green. The campus is also pretty small, so I designed a course that used a lot of these uncrossable features to the max which resulted in the following: super technical course, weird route challenges, and a longer course for the small campus, since there were so many obstacles to run around, which added distance.

However, this resulted in some tempting shortcuts. And in preparation for the upcoming school year, in the two weeks prior to the event, they just did a whole bunch of major, major pruning to pretty much the entire campus. This made the olive green seem way more passable (tiny manicured little bushes with bark in between, instead of a mini jungle), and it also significantly increased visibility through things, which made shortcuts even more tempting. I anticipated some of this, and the course setting team taped off a bunch of areas, but it wasn't enough.

And we also had a lot of inexperienced sprinters who don't know the rules. Because of the junior pricing, we had a lot more kids this year, and they didn't really know any better. And the average Cascader isn't at the level of an average GVOC'er in terms of knowing sprint rules, so we just had a lot of people parkour down 8-foot walls and run through olive green (some of which was taped). (Most surprising was that Aleksey didn't know the rules, but apparently he doesn't do much sprinting). I could have done a better job of making the rules clear at the event, instead of the pre-event guide and website.

At the end of the race, it was a mix of emotions, because so many people were like "OMG, that was the most amazing course!!!!" but then others were super frustrated that they ran a fair race when their heatmates were cheating. We ended up receiving reports of 8 people breaking the rules, and we talked to them, and all 8 admitted doing it, and were ok with the DSQ. And then the following morning at UW, I had 2 others come up to me and admit cheating once they saw the DSQ's, talked to people about them, and then realized that they should have been, too.

Anyway, I knew going in that SPU was my favorite course design and I was super stoked that most of the elites/experts loved it, but also saddened that I could have made it a better experience for everyone with just better communication.


Control #6 at Gas Works Park. The control was on the north side of a giant gas tank, and at about head-height, there's a pipe sticking out of the tank. This pipe had white flagging tape on it. Anyway, Linnea slightly overran the flag while punching, so she had to backtrack a bit or something. Anyway, she made a sharp turn and ran smack into the pipe, giving her a gouge right between the eyebrows. If she'd have been a few inches taller, she would have broken her nose. I know a lot of people are excited about SART, but Linnea was probably the most excited of any of the SART debutants this year, and here she was 3 minutes in, on the ground, and needing to go to the hospital. She was amazing resilient, though. She came back on Sunday and won both of her heats!

I would have gone if it had been called sprint O

Not one person at the event this year said anything about the name. I think most people love it, and it also gives us an acronym that we can say (SART). The only naysayers were the APers last year who somehow thought that an event posted and talked about on AP wouldn't be orienteering-related.
Sep 14, 2016 10:15 PM # 
I will contribute to the praise, and say that I am very thankful that there is a race WEEKEND (a whole weekend!) on the calendar that is fun, challenging, social, unique, and inspires lots of training afterwards as well as aspirations for the next year. Some events can claim one of those features, but SART claims all of those.


My one piece of feedback for you:

It's also the bonus prize for the Grand Champion to take home.

Would you consider giving the banner to the winning woman next year? And alternating it between the men's and women's winner for each year?
Sep 14, 2016 10:39 PM # 
Pink Socks:

Would you say that Vancouver Sprint Camp is everything, too? (That's how I feel, anyway). How would you compare and contrast Sprint Camp to SART, as a participant of each?

Would you consider giving the banner to the winning woman next year? And alternating it between the men's and women's winner for each year?

That's a good suggestion. What could also work is to order two banners (they are pretty cheap) and give 'em both away.
Sep 14, 2016 11:38 PM # 
The GVOCers I talked to were extremely happy with the event ( and they know a lot about sprints ). Congratulations and thank-you for creating this innovative event. Deschtes and SART? What a week!
Sep 15, 2016 1:28 AM # 
A suggestion for an alternate acronym to SART

Seattle Tournament of Adventure Running:

Bodaicious Urban Knockout Sprints
Sep 15, 2016 6:14 PM # 
Pink Socks:

Going back to SART vs. Sprint Camp. In my opinion, I think a lot of the positives are shared between both: fun, challenging, social. I think that SART is definitely more competitive (duh, it's a tournament) which has can be really good, but also brings some negatives (people getting really frustrated with cheaters at SPU, for example).

I think Sprint Camp also has a better community feel to it, for a few reasons. One is that it's been going on longer, so it's got a little bit of a family reunion feel to it. Sprint Camp also has lodging options which is super fantastic, and something that I haven't attempted to try yet for SART. And because Sprint Camp is a camp, there's also a great learning vibe, with coaching, training sessions, and the educational evening programs. Everyone wants to see everyone get better. Sprint Camp just has more warm fuzzies associated with it, I think. (I could also be not seeing a lot of the warm fuzzies at SART because I'm busy directing things, too).

SART has better weather, though!
Sep 15, 2016 9:23 PM # 
Perfect description and comparison in general of US and Canada. All the way including the weather comment too.
Sep 15, 2016 9:38 PM # 
Pink Socks:
In that case, we need to add more guns.
Sep 15, 2016 9:46 PM # 
This is the closest my google foo got me to guns:

And this:
Sep 16, 2016 1:25 AM # 
Ha, I just came back here to answer your SART vs Sprint Camp question, and I was going to say that Sprint Camp is more competitive.

To me, the whole point of SART is to achieve head-to-head racing. I don't actually care where I place overall, so long as I get a heat that is competitive within itself. Or, I try to not care too much about my overall place, because it seems that there is a bit more luck involved in the bracket system, and I don't want to be let down by poor luck.

By contrast, Sprint Camp seems to give you more of a fair chance to prove your speed and ability. Your races are obviously, far less influenced by other runners. You can drop a bad race (a bad race is catastrophic at SART). And they use the %-behind-the-leader scoring system, which rewards performance, not just place. I realize that SART rewards performance times as well, but the bracket can become an artificial division.

But! Both are Very Enjoyable, and the pillars of my personal orienteering calendar. So, that's what I was getting at: congratulations on building a PILLAR. :)

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