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Discussion: Very Short Orienteering

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Sep 12, 2016 11:55 PM # 
What developments are there in very short orienteering (a few minutes)? Haven't heard much about Orient-Show lately but even this hardly justifies the term "sprint" as understood by the general public:-))
Sep 13, 2016 12:03 AM # 
We have thought about putting some on but it hasn't got past the thinking stage yet. We did a couple of these many years ago. We would need better software (I know it exists) because all times were added together manually last time.
Sep 13, 2016 12:53 AM # 
Sprint orienteering is pretty short compared to sprint triathlon
Sep 13, 2016 2:11 AM # 
Let's see what the winning times are for next Monday's corn maze sprint, with a potentially world-class field.
Sep 13, 2016 8:05 AM # 
We put on a yearly ultrasprint with a maze, winning times usually between 5-12 mins. I think our courses are often too long though...
Sep 13, 2016 8:16 AM # 
4:16. Andrew builds his mazes with stakes and tape. PWT had this sort of thing from 2010. It got vetoed from the WOC sprint last year, but they'll get there :)
Sep 13, 2016 8:27 AM # 
It is highly likely that knock-out sprint with courses of ~8 minutes will be the third format in the urban WOC from 2020 (subject to satisfactory trials next year), but mazes aren't currently one of the options being considered.
Sep 13, 2016 8:45 AM # 
"A maze could be tested as part of a forking method."
Is that idea dead already :(

The unique advantage is that you can build identical mazes, allowing head to head racing without following in full view of spectators. It's also tremendous fun.
Sep 13, 2016 12:54 PM # 
Ran a few tape mazes here. 2-3 minutes seemed optimal.
Sep 13, 2016 6:58 PM # 
Pink Socks:
At the Seattle Adventure Running Tournament last weekend, the Time Trial was just 1.3km with a winning time of 5:53, at a location that's about as photogenic as you can get in Seattle.

We used a 1:4000 ISSOM map, but we could have gone to 1:2000 and still on a full sheet (which would have made the complex play barn area easier to read).
Sep 13, 2016 7:41 PM # 
Is that the Gas Works?
Sep 14, 2016 12:18 AM # 
We used a 1:4000 ISSOM map, but we could have gone to 1:2000

Not if you wanted it to retain its ISSOM status!
Sep 14, 2016 1:40 AM # 
Just use the "Proudly non-compliant" logo on the map.
Sep 14, 2016 3:20 AM # 
DX Deluxe which OK Linné put on years ago is amazing! If sprint is a short long with the focus on route choice & physical then DX Deluxe is a short middle with very tight navigation. Think the map was 1:500. No controls, just SI units.
Sep 14, 2016 3:25 AM # 
Sounds more like a super sprint at that scale, unless the map was the size of a tablecloth.
Sep 14, 2016 5:08 AM # 
Blair, the IOF description of the WOC Knockout sprints has the qualifiers at around 12min. That's well worth considering for those (usu non-elites) who measure their value in $/minute. But even 8min is longer than what I was thinking about. The ISSOM is clearly irrelevant here. Experience shows that the greatest fun comes during the experimenting, before rules and specifications get applied:-))
Sep 14, 2016 10:19 AM # 
ISSOM allows logos on a 1:4000 map. As in...
"That's not a 1:1000 blown-up map section, it's the mapmaker's logo."
Sep 14, 2016 7:04 PM # 
Pink Socks:
Not if you wanted it to retain its ISSOM status!

That's why I mapped and printed at 1:4000. I guess my point was that if super-sprint ever becomes a thing, we have a super photogenic venue in Seattle that can fit on a regular piece of paper at 1:2000, ISSOM or not.

WOC Knockout Sprints

What knockout sprint events are there out there, and what format do they have? I've participated in the ones in San Francisco in 2009, 2011, 2013, and 2014, which inspired the ones I've organized in Seattle in 2015 and 2016. I'm sure there are others, but I'm not familiar with them.
Sep 14, 2016 7:42 PM # 
They´ve had Knockout Sprints also at the World Cup level, for example this one in Göteborg 2011. Mens Semifinal featuring Mattias Mueller, Fredric Tranchand, Jerker Lysell, Gustav Bergman, Öystein Kvaal-Österböe and Aleksej Bortnik. Everything was shown on Swedish Television.

Correction; This wasn't actually a WC event but part of NORT (Nordic Orienteering Tour) that year,
Sep 14, 2016 7:54 PM # 
GPS tracking from all the knockout sprint races at NORT in 2011, 2012 and 2013 available here. Follow the link, choose a year and go down the list to find the NORT events.
Sep 14, 2016 11:16 PM # 
Sep 15, 2016 9:17 PM # 
@Geoman: Very Short Comment?
Sep 16, 2016 7:49 AM # 
Terje Mathisen:
@Nikolay: In order to make it even shorter you would need a shorter login ID.

Many (many!) years ago I had the world's shortest possible email address:

With the original rules which stated that both the domain and the registry had to have at least two letters or digits, this was as short as you could get.
Sep 16, 2016 6:44 PM # 
About interesting email addresses:
A friend of mine at Google before they released Gmail (I know, right, there was a time when google was a search engine only) as a perk was able to pick user names before it got released to the public. So now he has
Sorry for hijacking the thread. It is Random Fact Friday over here.

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