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Discussion: Live Results

in: North American Orienteering Championships 2016

Sep 23, 2016 9:07 PM # 
I very much appreciated the live results at, but they seemed to stop working for me just when it was getting most interesting. Anyone else have that problem?
Sep 23, 2016 9:10 PM # 
Sep 23, 2016 9:23 PM # 
Seems like they've been updated now.
Sep 24, 2016 2:24 AM # 
Middle - WinSplits by Classes

Middle - WinSplits by Courses
Sep 24, 2016 2:29 AM # 
Html results here:

Middle - Classes

Middle - Courses
Sep 24, 2016 2:48 AM # 
First clue it wasn't working - Adam Woods beating TG ;-)

Looked like after a certain point the system wasn't getting the finish times - so those who'd already finished looked great, but everyone else's times just kept incrementing.

Happened even with a browser refresh, or restart on another browser
Sep 24, 2016 2:51 AM # 
Middle RouteGadget is available here:
Watching the little squares run around can be quite interesting and illuminating. More interesting is actually seeing routes posted, so please add your tracks.
Sep 24, 2016 7:51 AM # 
vmeyer, updating RG version would make uploading gps tracks easier for those who start watch before the actual start time. It sets that timing slider initially right, not always at zero.
Sep 24, 2016 10:21 PM # 
Will do when internet and brain are working faster. Upgrading doesn't always go as well as one would hope... :)
Sep 24, 2016 10:23 PM # 
Long - WinSplits by Classes

Long - WinSplits by Courses

Long - Classes

Long - Courses

Long RouteGadget is available here:
Sep 24, 2016 10:56 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
So fast! Thanks Valerie
Sep 24, 2016 11:04 PM # 
Thanks Valerie. Great service, as always.
Sep 24, 2016 11:15 PM # 
Thank you, Valerie! It's great to be able to see such quick results from home.
Sep 25, 2016 6:45 PM # 
Sprint - WinSplits by Classes

Sprint - WinSplits by Courses

Sprint - Classes

Sprint - Courses
Sep 25, 2016 7:00 PM # 
Thank you for the live results feature and for getting up the official results quickly! I really appreciated it.
Sep 25, 2016 7:34 PM # 
me too
so much fun to watch the live results
and great to see the courses on rg
Sep 25, 2016 7:47 PM # 
These links are also posted on the NAOC website, with some photos from the middle, links to other photos, and a list of items left behind. If you left any clothing behind (also a compass and thumb magnifier), visit that page for the link to contact registrar Barb.

We've contacted directly the owners of items with names inside.
Sep 25, 2016 8:43 PM # 
Any results from the sprint relay?
Sep 25, 2016 11:21 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Emily held off Ali and Alex charged like mad to steal third from approx a minute back. CAN USA USA
Sep 25, 2016 11:24 PM # 
Except I mispunched (didn't punch the control at end of spectator chute), so CAN-USA-CAN.
Sep 26, 2016 12:10 AM # 
Mr Wonderful:
My bad, I should have qualified as unofficial spectator version with a flight. Also, too caught up on the excitement.
Sep 26, 2016 1:18 AM # 
Sep 26, 2016 8:56 AM # 
Thanks for all the updates, live and otherwise. It was nice to have a little sense of what was going on from afar.
Sep 26, 2016 1:57 PM # 
Could the organizers post map images somewhere? Thanks!
Sep 26, 2016 3:08 PM # 
Relay results:


Relay splits
Sep 26, 2016 3:14 PM # 
And RouteGadget for Sprint available
Sep 26, 2016 3:56 PM # 
Sprint relay is also in RG now.
Sep 26, 2016 5:42 PM # 
Valerie if you have too much time on your hands, how were the relay splits calculated as per when did runners go on the clock and then stop?
And great job as per usual this weekend!
Sep 26, 2016 6:16 PM # 
The finish time for a leg was when the person punched the Finish after the handoff, making that the Start time for the second leg. So, I am guessing some are badly off? :)
Sep 26, 2016 7:25 PM # 
Leg 1, 2 and 3 runners spent various amounts of time on the ground, wandering around not knowing quite what to do, coming to download without punching finish, etc. so it is not surprising that their finish split time and the first split of the next runner could be off. It wouldn't have surprised me if some punched finish after the next leg runner punched their first control.
Sep 26, 2016 7:41 PM # 
If I do indeed have too much time on my hands ;-), I may review the video and redo the times.
Sep 26, 2016 7:57 PM # 
In Swedish relays the finish punch is always BEFORE the handoff. Whatever seconds that elapse after that are added to the next runners time, usually not an issue since both parties want a quick handoff
Sep 26, 2016 8:57 PM # 
Yes, well, I lost that "argument" on Sunday morning. :)
Sep 27, 2016 1:29 AM # 
Here's a probably-related question...

Why was the no-punch finish abandoned for the Sprint and Sprint Relay?
Sep 27, 2016 1:39 AM # 
We went with a finish punch for the sprint mainly due to the time constraints with the 8am start time. The extra equipment, cabling, and testing required to setup the finish line would have pushed the morning setup time even earlier than it already was.
It was disappointing to me not to be able to do it for the sprint where I think it makes the most difference, but it was the right decision in terms of guaranteeing that we got the most important things right and working that morning.
Sep 27, 2016 2:23 AM # 
Got it.

Was any consideration given to using it for the Sprint Relay (given the time between races)?
Sep 27, 2016 2:57 AM # 
BTW, given this...

In situations where junior classes run the same course as the senior classes, juniors are eligible to be scored as both a junior and a senior.

... The USA Jr 2 team and Canada Jr 1 team scored BK Cup points as their respective countries' second placing
Sep 27, 2016 3:05 AM # 
Canada Jr 1 was Canada's third placing team Guy though Canada's 2nd team did have two juniors on the team
Sep 27, 2016 5:37 PM # 
A couple interesting observations from watching the sprint routegadget playbacks:

1. A couple of runners can be seen crossing through olive green, one of whom was only 1 place out of the medals.

2. Green X and green Z courses are exactly the same.
Sep 27, 2016 6:23 PM # 
re #2 - I forgot that was mentioned to me. I had planned on combining them.
Sep 27, 2016 6:25 PM # 
Have gone to the tape and adjusted the S/F for the relay legs to reflect the time at tagging...

and corrected WinSplits as well...

Relay splits
Sep 27, 2016 8:17 PM # 
@hammer: D'oh! Not sure how I missed Canada Sr 2.

That would make the Senior Sprint Relay score Can 70, USA 40.

Is there a way to merge the two relay categories into a unified set of overall results?
Sep 27, 2016 8:30 PM # 
Guy, combined, per your request. HTML and WS updated to reflect the change.
Sep 27, 2016 8:47 PM # 
Did anybody get any pictures or video of the exciting handoff between the race leaders at the end of Leg 2?
Sep 27, 2016 10:22 PM # 
Not on the finish line video, just a gasp from the spectators indicated something was amiss.

However, Anton apologized to DK as he followed him to, there is that.
Sep 27, 2016 10:25 PM # 
A couple of runners can be seen crossing through olive green, one of whom was only 1 place out of the medals.

Assuming these are not hand drawn routes. The GPS is only so accurate, especially in places with lots of buildings. I've had it show that I was running through the edges and corners of buildings before. Someone skirting olive green might appear to be going through it if they didn't bother adjusting their GPS route.
Sep 27, 2016 10:28 PM # 
Pink Socks:
There are currently two routes cutting through olive green. Both on Green X, and both are hand-drawn.
Sep 28, 2016 10:13 AM # 
On the first leg, too. Does this mean not everyone is aware of the ISSOM rules? Or are they having a really hard time seeing the colors?
Sep 28, 2016 1:35 PM # 
I know of a few orienteers who are colour blind
Sep 28, 2016 1:55 PM # 
I didn't run in the sprints, but when I looked at the maps, I had a hard time identifying the olive. As I've stated elsewhere on this site, the IOF color scheme is completely broken in this regard.
Sep 28, 2016 2:23 PM # 

1. A couple of runners can be seen crossing through olive green, one of whom was only 1 place out of the medals.

I assume you are referring to my route to #1? I only now see the distinction between the green and the olive. I thought I was in the clear skirting the building, but I may not have been. If a protest is filed with the organizers, I will not object to being DQ'ed on this, though I would appreciate being offered the option of a SPW per A.31.16



Does this mean not everyone is aware of the ISSOM rules? Or are they having a really hard time seeing the colors?

In my case, the latter. I only realized I most likely passed through olive green once it was pointed out in this thread. I didn’t even see it while adding my route to RouteGadget.


If a protest is filed with the organizers

I emailed the event director requesting that the jury take a look at this and I included an offer to withdraw. I don't know if any action will be taken, but at least it has now been brought to the organizers attention in an official manner.
Sep 28, 2016 4:28 PM # 
I have some red-green color blindness. I can't distinguish, even now, between the green around the buildings that I presume is out of bounds, and the green near the first control on Green X (#31) that I presume represents fight. I tried to go through the latter and gave up.
Sep 29, 2016 3:49 PM # 
Well that's certainly interesting, as yes, it's the green near Green X #31 that is olive and that Bo and one other person drew their routes crossing in routegadget. I didn't have difficulty identifying that one as olive but there have been times on many sprints when I've seen some sort of planted area and been unsure whether it was ok to cross and chosen to go around rather than to stop and try to locate it on the map to determine its color.

The thing I had trouble with on this map was stairways -- in particular the ones at Green X #2 (code 90), which was shared with some other courses. The stairways are so narrow on the map that I didn't spot them. Thus I took the grey passage from the north as the only way in and out of the courtyard, which eliminated the road route to the south from consideration, and also necessitated a longer route to the north from 2 to 3. Once I got into the passage to the courtyard I saw a large window directly in front of me that was too high to exit through, and a stairway to the right that led up into darkness. I thought the stairway wasn't on the map but I can see now on the routegadget map that it is. On my map it is covered by the control circle. [No, after studying it with a magnifier I can now see the control circle is in fact cut there, but the stairway has insufficient contrast to be visible without both a bright light and a magnifier!] Anyway as I was backing up to see if I could clear the window by taking a running start at it, Emma Waddington came blasting in and went straight up the stairway. "Oh..., maybe that will work after all."
Sep 29, 2016 5:07 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Diving through the window to #90 was a highlight of the sprint course!

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