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Oct 5, 2016 12:42 AM # 
With current entries, all you have to do is finish the long course in Dwellingup to be crowned WA state champion.
Oct 5, 2016 11:21 AM # 
Maybe I should change to the M21 ...
Oct 5, 2016 11:39 AM # 
nice lets keep it that way when does entries close?
Oct 5, 2016 12:27 PM # 
Sunday. Maybe Tash can ride M21?
Oct 5, 2016 2:21 PM # 
Can you create and ratify a policy that there need to be a minimum of 3 competent MTBOers i.e. higher standard than brycec, before you award a single certificate from MS Word's selection of templates?
Oct 5, 2016 2:28 PM # 
Bernhard Klingseisen is a member of KO according to Eventor - doesn't that mean he can win the WA title?
Oct 5, 2016 2:32 PM # 
tooms - would mean they never award a prize ever again what would be the point of that?
Oct 5, 2016 3:34 PM # 
Juffy - Ahh yeah, I mistook him for an interloper since he hasn't been to an event all year. Game on!

Bryce - maybe for the women; typically we do get more than three entrants in the M21 field but not this year for some reason. Too expensive? Too elite? Ori and Dalts are riding their age category for the first time. Hayden hasn't entered :-( (but he did go to Metro for the first time last weekend)

Tooms - do you want me to do that so that Jen can keep the trophy forever?
Oct 5, 2016 11:12 PM # 
Ah well there goes the cup!
Oct 6, 2016 2:30 AM # 
OWA's cup runneth over.
Oct 6, 2016 3:32 AM # 
Is Bryce dribbling again?
Oct 6, 2016 11:56 PM # 
tRicky - too expensive and since I only looked at the entry info a couple of days ago, with the 50% surcharge, way too expensive. And with the cost of entering all three events, going to China was probably cheaper.
Oct 7, 2016 12:56 AM # 
Not my fault if people cannot get organised sooner (or read event info more than a week before the actual event), which seems to apply to several WA types to date. Did you wait until a week before going to China before looking at info? Plus the late fee info was advertised in both bulletins and the OWA website well before it happened.
Oct 7, 2016 1:37 AM # 
I'm not entering something so far into the future that I'll probably be injured by then. I've wasted enough money on 5 dams before to know better.

Whilst I appreciate having to cover event costs and being able the plan and stuff. If I have to enter so far in advance then I'd rather not enter at all.

And having to hunt down a bulletin to find all the event details/costs ...
Oct 7, 2016 1:44 AM # 
The bulletin(s) is on Eventor, the Aus MTBO site and has also been linked to on the OWA website, Facebook and in eNews. Putting it anywhere else is irrelevant. You can do an EOD if you like at the standard champs entry rate (i.e. no late fee).

Have you entered XPD yet? I think entries opened last year, which to me seems ridiculously far in advance and not something you'd be up for. Done any rogaines this year? I think you have to enter those at least ten days in advance, which just seems ludicrous to me.
Oct 7, 2016 10:28 AM # 
Family. Kids. Injuries. Life.
If you want more entries you have to make it easy and flexible.
If you want to restrict it to the most organised and committed, well you know what to do.
Oct 7, 2016 11:39 AM # 
No, all the queries I've got so far this week are from people who basically haven't even read the info, which has been out for months. I cannot be more flexible than that and Shane only enters in advance when it serves his interests to do so. I'm actually quite surprised he managed to find this thread given he couldn't find any info about mountain bike orienteering on an orienteering website... on the front page at that! Gees it's right freaking here.

Given you aren't coming O-ing, I don't value your opinion here about an event that has taken more than a year of my life to organise.

If people want to do EOD then that's fine with me, turn up on the day and you can ride and compare your times to other on course, just like you did at last year's champs Shane. Just don't ask to be in an official age group.
Oct 7, 2016 11:29 PM # 
Yeah because official rocks dude. You might even get a badge.
Oct 7, 2016 11:56 PM # 
So what's your problem then? Just turn up and ride a course if that's all you want. We're not stopping you - no badges though, we didn't go for that this year.

However I think his problem is that it costs about as much as a (WA) rogaine to enter and anything that costs that much must at least have a hash house. Either that or it needs to cost 50-60 times as much to be worthwhile.
Oct 8, 2016 12:05 AM # 
Not my problem. Its just frustrating to see someone pour so much effort into organising an event and then very few show up. I know, because I've done that too. I decided I wasn't go to organise any more events that didn't attract at least 100 people.
Oct 8, 2016 12:09 AM # 
Yeah I know, we had to close entries in order to print maps and produce start lists but as I said, we're not stopping people from coming on the day and I encourage people to do so but I'm not holding out for big numbers, especially with the 'huge' cost of entry (anything more than $10 is going to drive orienteers away). I've updated the website to make it clear now.

It's one of the problems of living in WA - attracting large numbers. The nationals in Vic last year got 160 people but it's just never going to happen here. Somehow even the nationals in NT a few years back just got over 100 and even that attracted riders from WA who had otherwise never done MTBO and haven't again done it since, not even in their home state!
Oct 8, 2016 1:39 AM # 
We've got 80 coming to our trail run in 2 weeks, it's certainly a more rewarding feeling with the numbers, but it's not as interesting to me as orienteering setting. :-)
Oct 8, 2016 2:28 AM # 
Well done, it's certainly telling that it's much easier to get more people to come to a plain old run or MTB race than it is to anything involving a map.

I struggled to get anyone to go to the Margaret River events a couple of years back due to the distance but an Albany trail run? Whooah how many people from Perth are going to that? 20 by my count and three from Victoria - good promotion!

Just a thought, given we don't have a Metro event on that weekend, have you asked to promote it on the OWA eNews?
Oct 8, 2016 4:25 AM # 
Thanks tRicky. I figured orienteers would be unlikely to want to spend the $ on fuel, accommodation and exorbitant entry fees so haven't bothered pushing promotion to them. It's on the official OWA calendar, but the number of WA orienteers up for a 12k or 23k run is likely low, and the others who could do 6km would be unlikely to travel for it. :-)
Oct 8, 2016 5:39 AM # 
Bloody orienteers. Damn them all to hell.
Oct 8, 2016 12:10 PM # 
If O-ing's not willing to organise an event which attracts less than 100 people then he wouldn't be much use to us here in SA. We crack over that number in foot-O half a dozen times a year if we're lucky. As for MTBO...between one and two dozen entries per event. (Meanwhile, rogaining in SA is going great guns - go figure. Must be something to do with the fact that you don't have to compete all by yourself?)

BTW, I'd do a trail run in Albany if I happened to be there when it's on!
Oct 8, 2016 12:23 PM # 
We'll use the same course again (unlike orienteering) so you could run it any time you visit! There'll be a coffee van too.
Oct 9, 2016 4:49 AM # 
Rogaining in WA has dropped numbers significantly this year when compared to two or three years ago. The turnout at the nationals was rather diabolical. I'm wondering if it's because we've lost all our 1-2 times a year participants due to the rise in membership fees making the cost of entering on those rare occasions unjustified.

Orienteering tends to crack the 100 mark for most of the bush events although never for MTBO and the past year it was rare to happen for our Metro Series although previous years it was often the case. We just fell short of the 100 mark at today's Metro event, the first time we've run it on a Sunday morning in many, many years, so it seems to have been a good experiment (one of our central location didn't hurt either).
Oct 9, 2016 4:52 AM # 
yeah I must admit I enjoyed the time slot
Oct 9, 2016 5:13 AM # 
Next Sunday morning event is the morning after the OWA dinner (Nov 20), done that way to avoid the Saturday clash (although we couldn't get the original venue on the Sunday so had to move it), then Tash's event in Thornlie on Dec 4 because we couldn't get the venue on the Saturday. It pays to be flexible sometimes. Ironically we would have scheduled the event clashing with the novelty rogaine on the Sunday too (for the first time ever) except you wanted to set them both!
Oct 9, 2016 10:17 PM # 
"he wouldn't be much use to us here in SA". Hmmm. As a former member of Tintookies who orienteered in SA for several years and was the main driver to get OASA's Easter 3 Day at Broken Hill, including setting Day 3, I'm not sure how to interpret that.
If I was in SA again I'd would be thinking big and trying to make orienteering accessible, friendly, and attended by lots of people. That's what I was doing then and still do today, when I have time. OK, maybe if that's not much use to the way things are done in SA now, fair enough.
Oct 10, 2016 3:17 AM # 
I think rather that jennycas was emphasising the below 100 attendance (your involvement benchmark) at their events rather than your lack of ability at increasing their attendance. tRicky's perceptions seem to have rubbed off on you O-ing. :)
Oct 10, 2016 3:34 AM # 
It's not a benchmark its a guideline or a target. It is difficult to predict in advance how many people you will get................. unless you make it pre-entry by members only and set the strict closing date months before.
Before everybody wades in - I'm not saying that is the case here for the Aus MTBO!!
Oct 10, 2016 4:14 AM # 
Were you in WA when we had the Mother's Day event at Mt Observation that had ~320 participants? (my recollection could be false with the passage of time) but that was just a standard event. I wonder why it's dropped so much even though the product is the same. Society has shifted I guess. Sorry, here come the worms!
Oct 10, 2016 4:38 AM # 
Any guess on the year? We did most events between 1997 to 2009.
Oct 10, 2016 5:45 AM # 
Ah, it would've been earlier than that. My guess would be 1994-ish. Back when we had multiple M21A teams of 3 in the interclub relays! In fact, I can remember (again Mt Obs) running first leg for LOST I guess, racing Craig (BO), Gareth (KO) and at least a couple of others.
Oct 10, 2016 7:13 AM # 
I think all the Mothers Day advertising by commercial organisations means people are too scared to do sports on that day anymore for fear of angering their maternal parent. If you don't spoil your mum with hundreds of dollars worth of gifts or lunches that day, you just don't love her. Orienteering only costs $10 so well below the benchmark.
Oct 10, 2016 7:18 AM # 
I thought it was the ANZACs who had sporting organisations in their sights? At least, only before lunchtime.
Oct 10, 2016 7:19 AM # 
Yeah it is but the number of times now I've heard 'Oh sorry I'd like to help out but I have Mother's/Father's Day on'...
Oct 10, 2016 7:40 AM # 
Speaking of late entries, the guy we're driving around for Cape to Cape after this weekend's events hasn't even booked flights yet! He says he'll decide by Wednesday night whether to come on Thursday or Friday. Mind you, he does work for Qantas I believe so is probably trying to get a free flight.
Oct 10, 2016 7:41 AM # 
I didn't go to the first metro because the Royal Show was on. :)

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