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Discussion: Dec. 31

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Oct 5, 2016 1:21 AM # 
That's a long time to wear orange. :(
Oct 5, 2016 12:27 PM # 
You could mix it up with yellow.
Oct 5, 2016 2:03 PM # 
Unless you get shot. Then there will be comments about whether an orange shirt was truly blaze orange. I've seen that happen and it bugs me that non-hunters are apparently expected to shop for specialized clothing to wear for much of the year, yet there is virtually no publicity about it.
Oct 5, 2016 6:21 PM # 
Really? A hunter is allowed to shoot a bright neon yellow vest on the off chance that it might be game? I should just have to make a point of being visible, not what some monkey thought would be the 'right' colour to write into a law.
Oct 5, 2016 7:28 PM # 
For all the responsible hunters it's no biggie. It's the moron with a bow/gun and a beer I worry about.
I have a lot of bright colours but not much in blaze orange.
Oct 6, 2016 4:06 AM # 
As non-hunters, we don't legally have to wear blaze orange (apparently now called "hunter orange" in Ontario). Even hunters are only legally required to wear it during gun season for big animals. I'm just talking about the "tsk tsk" comments I've heard when people get shot.

The requirements for hunters are extremely specific, including:

“The garment referred to in subsection (1) must be solid and not open mesh clothing with a minimum total area of not less than 400 square inches above the waist and visible from all sides. O. Reg. 665/98, s. 26 (2).”

'Hunter orange' means a daylight fluorescent orange colour with a dominant wave length between 595 and 605 nanometers, excitation purity of not less than 85 per cent and a luminance factor of not less than 40 per cent, but does not include camouflage hunter orange colouring. O. Reg. 665/98, s. 26 (5).”

More here, including the comment that high-viz yellow products are unacceptable.

I hate orange so I just do my best to avoid trouble.
Oct 6, 2016 4:22 AM # 
Carbon's Offset:
"excitation, purity, luminance"... You just described my wife.
Oct 6, 2016 4:33 AM # 
Awww... ;)
Oct 6, 2016 11:32 AM # 
That is a very specific law to require the person with the gun to be visible. Presumably so others can see them and get out of their way.

I guess I'll just carry on with my yellow and not-hunter orange, and not get too close to where the big animals live.
Oct 6, 2016 2:34 PM # 
I have an orange coat but it's not super-bright. I have fluorescent bright yellow, and also a very bright blue, neither one of which look all that much like a turkey or a deer. That's my fall wardrobe. AD has his orange vest.
Oct 6, 2016 3:12 PM # 
The bright colours are intended to keep hunters from shooting other hunters, which is the most typical hunting accident. There is very little publicity to non-hunters about the areas where they need to be careful (e.g. parts of the Bruce Trail), when hunters might be out, or what the non-hunters should wear.

My cynical belief is that publicity is limited to prevent non-hunters (94% of Canadians) from campaigning to reduce the amount of hunting permitted near populated areas. When I've phoned MNR about illegal hunters on our block of land, they've given me a strong sense that they work on behalf of hunters - the people who pay them for licenses - not for the rest of us.

But when there's an accident, some hunters are quick to blame the non-hunter for not knowing all the rules. I followed the trial of the hunter who killed a hiker outside Tottenham, not far from our place. There were comments about the grandmother having "red, not orange" clothing and "tsk tsks" about her not realizing it was the opening day of deer gun season. At the trial, the defence presented two mitigating factors to justify the hunter's lack of caution: she went hiking on a Monday and she walked over from her home so there was no parked vehicle advertising her presence. (How many times have I done both of those things?!) The hunter was acquitted because he "hadn't broken any laws". In many accidental hunting shootings, charges are not even laid.

The risk of getting shot by the small percentage of hunters who are bozos is part of the cost we are all expected to pay for living in a place where hunting is honoured as a heritage sport. I'm not anti-hunting but I've had enough incidents with bozos to be cynical. There are lots of people who can't change lanes properly on the 401; it's not surprising there are some people who can't manage firearms safely.
Oct 6, 2016 3:46 PM # 
Where I was in the US, it was always made quite clear to the public when deer season opened, so at least non-hunters knew when the woods would be full of flying lead. Here, I wouldn't have known without your note.

A parked car would rarely be a meaningful indicator of my presence because I'm not likely to be very close to it. The clear message is that we have to assume 100% of the responsibility for our own safety.
Oct 6, 2016 4:07 PM # 
Exactly. I talk about it a lot because I know most recreational outdoors people don't know the ball is in our court.

To be fair, you don't have to worry about flying lead aimed at deer right now - just flying arrows. Deer gun season is in early November and we don't have one in Caledon. If you go north a little, bear season starts in September and runs till late November, then moose season is in late October.

Here's a challenge. You're a smart guy, better equipped to figure stuff out than most of the population. Suppose you wanted to repeat your big ride on that rail trail on Thanksgiving Monday. How many minutes would it take you to figure out what hunting seasons will be active along the length of your ride? Most people would also need time to find the hunting regulations document that I've linked below - if they even know to look for it. And it is impossible to know whether specific landowners permit hunting so it's safest to assume they all do. And as non-hunters, most of us don't know much about the different types of weapons or hunting, so we don't know which seasons we can safely ignore.
Oct 6, 2016 4:13 PM # 
Hmm, I notice this document mentions hunter orange, which started this conversation:

"Hunter orange is intended to maximize hunter safety without negatively impacting
hunting success.

All licensed hunters, including archery hunters, hunting during a gun season for deer, elk or moose, are required to wear hunter orange. As well, all black bear hunters hunting during a black bear season outside gun seasons for deer, elk and moose are required to wear hunter orange except when in a tree stand. Waterfowl hunters are exempt from the hunter orange requirement."
Oct 6, 2016 4:18 PM # 
Wow, that's nuts to sort through! NY is so much easier:
Oct 6, 2016 4:39 PM # 
Amazing! Only 2 pages! Meaningful graphics!

As an IT person, I'm amazed there isn't a system where you could just enter your postal code and get all the info you need. Or if you're a hunter, enter your animal and maybe a location.

At least these hunting regulations are a big improvement. When I first tried to figure out the hunting seasons in our area, it wasn't all summarized in a single PDF. There was a different PDF for every type of animal that can be hunted in Ontario. So with my dial-up Internet, I had to wait for each PDF to chug-chug-chug open until I could check to see if my WMU number was in there. Oh, and first I had to figure out my WMU number, which was another chug-chug-chug through several PDFs. Without wanting to sound insulting, I have to believe that the majority of Ontario citizens would not have been able to do that back in the days of widespread dial-up - and some didn't even have Internet. Even with the new "simplified" 90-page document, I'm sure a significant number of Ontarians couldn't figure it out.
Oct 6, 2016 5:59 PM # 
Also remember that a lot of hunters are men. Men have a higher incidence of colour blindness than women. I have a friend who avidly hunts who would not know hunter orange, from green, blue or brown. He doesn't shoot unless he knows exactly what he is shooting at and what part of the target he is aiming for. Any good hunter does the same, regardless of ability to see colours.

I'm sure many hunters are colour blind (or impaired) and have no idea that they are.

Be careful/aware and make lot's of noise.... people noise.
Oct 6, 2016 6:20 PM # 
Excellent point. I always think about FB when I'm writing about hunting because it's not people like him I'm worried about, and I don't want it to sound that way. However, I also think about the lodge owner Bob and I met during WT course testing who spent an hour regaling us with tales where he bragged about shooting in circumstances where he obviously didn't have enough information to do so, e.g. falling asleep while hiding in a bush and waking up to hear sounds. He was lucky to hit animals but he went over quota a few times and had to phone friends to come and claim some of them.

I've been shot at during an adventure race and we've had occasional problems with illegal hunters near our place, including a guy who was proud to be involved at some level with the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters. Even if 99% of the hunters are careful like FB, that still leaves hundreds of armed people who might shoot us and not get convicted because they didn't break any laws.
Oct 6, 2016 7:15 PM # 
watch out for the hunters throwing beer cans
Oct 6, 2016 8:45 PM # 
The NY schedule is much easier to read than Ontario.

But it was NY where a wayward bullet hit my car during hunting season. Mrs. was driving it on the road close to a known hunting area at the beginning of deer season.

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