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in: STORM; STORM > 2016-11-13

Nov 14, 2016 9:51 PM # 
Thanks for being at the front of the tow rope- helped me massively.
Nov 15, 2016 3:34 AM # 
yeah sorry about 31. I mentioned it at race briefing but people are already in race mode at that time. originally there was going to be a volunteer there but we ended up having to move them to other places because of potential stolen controls.

Anyway pleased to see you at the RTH again. You guys raced really well. barring injury i'm 100% in for rockstar next year.

10th anniversary and i've only done one so far. that's not enough but last two years out of the country.
Nov 15, 2016 3:51 AM # 
I heard you mention 31 in the race briefing but I have to admit I was really hoping for orange flagging tape at the top since some teams missed the right set of stairs and didn't come back.
Nov 15, 2016 4:16 PM # 
To Hammer's credit I too caught the mention during the briefing of 31 being drawn as both a dot and a circle on the two maps; plus the mention of it being at the top of "Uli's stairs" found it very handy when at the trail/stairs intersection at the bottom to have a sign on the rail labelling them as "Uli's Stairs". What I hadn't realized until we were at the street level and not moments after just saying "glad we're going up and not down on these sketchy things" ...was that it was purely and out-and-back!!! Buggers.

Good racing Storm et al. How come you never offer me a tow rope when were racing together at the Maitland Trail Race?! ...geeeze.
Nov 15, 2016 4:26 PM # 
We went up stairs as drawn on the map, i.e. going up to the main trail, then continuing up to the road. But after descending and going a short distance along the main trail, we found another set of stairs labelled "Uli Stairs" that only came up to the main trail but didn't continue to the road. So there was something odd in that section.
Nov 15, 2016 4:47 PM # 
I still hadn't made the swap in my map bag from maps 1+2 to maps 3+4, so was solely navigating to 31 based on map 2, where it is drawn correctly. While on the Bruce section I was also saying to my teamates that this was a key trail/stairs intersection as the map ran out past the intersection and I wouldn't have anything to catch us on if we did overshoot (forgetting I had map 3 to refer to of course).

So I watched for the dark green veg blob just before the intersection on map 2 and then came upon the labelled stair case. I swapped maps during the climb and then upon dropping back to the rail trail and heading south, I was confused when saw Storm-Beowulf climbing up from my left on a set of stairs not drawn on the map. Map 3 says 2010, so guess Uli's been active in the area over the past six years.
Nov 15, 2016 5:03 PM # 
It's a tricky thing to have 2 sets of identically labelled stairs, one possibly unmapped, right where you need to change maps over.
Nov 15, 2016 5:29 PM # 
Like Bender, I was convinced we'd picked the correct stairs (and other teams around us agreed) because of small map clues. Looking at the two maps again now and comparing our helpful green blob on the trail bend, it doesn't look like the scale is the same on both, even though they're labelled 1:10,000. My pace counting always seemed off on Map 2 and I'd wondered if the scale was 1:15,000 or more. Looking at the two maps together (which I only did for about 3 seconds during the race), if the blob and trail bend are accurate, the scales are different. That makes me feel better about some confusion in the race!
Nov 15, 2016 5:47 PM # 
Absolutely, now that I look while sitting still and oxygen running properly to my brain. Not that I was pace counting, but indeed lends itself to explaining why on more than one occasion on map 2 I found myself saying "this doesn't feel right ...feels like we've gone too far", while having the head down and pushing the pace.
Nov 15, 2016 6:09 PM # 
The most confusing time was around 26/27 where we were only looking for potential controls on a trail where it would be impossible to show every bend. I counted 200 paces to the first flagging tape and said, "That's 27" but then I realized the field to our left below us hadn't started yet so it had to be 26. Like you, I'd had some issues with gut feelings being wrong earlier on but I'd blamed it on my lack of sleep until that point.
Nov 16, 2016 1:00 AM # 
That bit at the start of map3 was actually a 2003 bit added on to the 2010 section added to another separate 2003 section added to the 2009 jolly cut added to the 1982 bit subtracted from mc^2 ... you get the idea. ;-) linking all the bits of various maps certainly had its challenges. Meghan saved the day (well night) as she was up to 5am one morning working on the maps. But there will be a brand new map of the area in a few weeks which will make organizing and racing easier :-) I had hoped we would have had it ready by race date but the multi
scale (get it?!), different aged maps just added to the birthday celebration fun. I had surveyed in the extra Ulli's steps but forgot to add it to the map. That is about where i went over on my ankle when course planning so definitely remember that. I also forgot to add something else but will keep that a secret though I did remember the other few dozen changes. :-)

It is diificult when the river cutting through the valley on the old map was 200m east of where it is today. Did I say challenging? ;-)

What fork did people take? It was so bizarre seeing the leaf blower bike trail at northern fork. The original finish was 400m from the park between 46 and 47. So about 15 min less running....and no air photo.
Nov 16, 2016 12:09 PM # 
The different scales are more visible when you see the 2 maps side by side on a table, a lot more than when bouncing along watching your footing and gasping for air while changing maps. Storm and Gally were scratching their heads about the distances, but I get it now.

Hammer, thanks again for all the effort piecing the pieces together.
Nov 16, 2016 1:48 PM # 
Which fork are you referring to, Hammer?

I didn't mind having the air photo or the extra running. Neither was my strong point but it was a worthy challenge late in the race.

It must have been a nightmare when you had to make a new map for the different race finish! Thanks for all the extra work on our behalf. The scale on Map 3 felt fine. I kept wondering about my poor distance judgements on Map 2, and I considered the possibility that the scale had been changed to squeeze the map onto the page, but I didn’t want to sound like one of those navigators blaming my compass for not pointing north! It's actually a relief to see there was a reason.
Nov 16, 2016 2:46 PM # 
The scale shouldn't be too much of a concern if you are ready the features properly, which was our problem as the Oxygen intake was at a minimum at that point. We ended up blowing by 31 and knew it but when we decided to rejoin the rail trail we found the Uli Stairs??!!, (which was the second one). There was an indistinct trail that went up to the road which we took and at the top there was a road junction tboning the main road, exactly as the map had at the correct cp location. As we ran towards 32 and 33 we questioned ourselves again as we got there too quick from what we calculated. After some fiddling with the maps we made the decision to not go back to 31 and double check as we lost enough time in that section and came to the conclusion that if we were indeed wrong, worst case is we would have done a penalty loop. Luckily for us we didn't have to do it :)

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