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Discussion: Condition of Jackie Jones Mountain map

in: West Point National Meet (Apr 22–23, 2017 - West Point, NY)

Nov 24, 2016 7:05 PM # 
I'm initiating a bit of crowd-sourcing help for USMAOC as they plan their 2017 National (A-) Meet.

As indicated on the event page, the intention is to do one day of the event on USMA maps and the other on a map within Harriman State Park. The draft sanctioning packet indicates a classic distance event on Jackie Jones Mountain.

QUESTION FOR THOSE WELL FAMILIAR WITH JACKIE JONES MOUNTAIN: Are there any known areas which require map updates and why (trails (new, overgrown, changed), vegetation changes, construction, etc)?

Assisting as a course consultant and potentially assisting with the map updates themselves, I'm hoping to accelerate the "assessment" phase of the map update project with local / frequent user feedback (e.g. this ridge has fire/regrowth changes, blueberry has thickened in this corner, mountain laurel windows along here have closed up, etc), rather than starting from scratch with assessment runs.

Nov 24, 2016 8:10 PM # 
Last time I was there, it was in remarkably good shape. The access road to the camp on the west end got washed out, and I don't know if there might have been any work done to repair that, which might have resulted in mappable changes.
Nov 25, 2016 6:07 PM # 
Access road has been rebuilt but now the camp at the end is a very active AMC camping lodge. There have been a series of fires in Harriman last week. About 400 acres affected with mostly leaves and brush burning. The south-eastern most part of the map may have been hit by one of them. Not sure - it may have been north enough to completely avoid the fires. If it did get hit, it would actually help runability since the flames burn the blueberries.
Nov 29, 2016 2:16 PM # 
Fear not Bernie. The blueberries on Jackie Jones are still waiting for you. The fire appears to have been further down the ridge towards Pine Meadow.

There are some updates needed for the Jackie Jones map. Minimally, the yellow blazed (SBM) and green blazed tails (LP) have had some relocations and changes due to ongoing trail maintenance.

The green areas are generally still the same although there are a couple of areas along the main road to the tower where the barberries have gotten significantly more extensive. In some limited areas the laurel has grown out quite a bit and looks different relative to the surrounding terrain and could effect route choices.

All in all, the map is still very useable after all these years. BTW, I still have quite a few of the printed maps (property of the US team) if someone wants to take them off my hands.

Since I am very familiar with this area, let me know if you'd like any additional information or help.
Nov 30, 2016 1:39 PM # 
I did a reconnaissance run of the area. The burn starts just north of Stoned Memorial shelter on the Suffern-to-Bear-Mountain trail and follows the escarpment until just beyond the horse stables. About 1.5km straight line from the edge of the burn to any mapped area. The most precious mapped area is untouched.
Nov 30, 2016 2:24 PM # 
Was that the relay map for WOC93 or the Short?
Nov 30, 2016 3:08 PM # 
Short quali

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