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Discussion: Ticks

in: Bash; Bash > 2016-11-30

Nov 30, 2016 9:58 PM # 
I heard about the meat allergy when I was in Australia! I wasn't sure how much truth there was to it. I'll have to listen. That would be tragic.

How do you cheat with intervals when you're not on the tredmill?
Nov 30, 2016 10:13 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
AP users have run into the problem, unfortunately. :( If my failing memory serves, it resulted from a race, but I forget which.
Dec 1, 2016 1:40 AM # 
Yes, Silkychrome is the only person I know who has this allergy. Unfortunately, it makes sense that adventure racers and orienteers would be more likely to get it - just like Lyme.

When it first arose, doctors didn't believe their patients. How could someone eat meat for 30 or 40 years, then suddenly develop a deadly allergy? Researchers had observed that patients with the sudden meat allergy and patients with an allergic reaction to a cancer drug containing alpha-galactose (a sugar found in meat) mostly lived in the southeast U.S. An allergy researcher confirmed the connection after he contracted the allergy himself.

Here's the podcast.

And an article that's quicker than a podcast.
Dec 1, 2016 1:43 AM # 
Silkychrome blogged about it too. She said she believes it was not the result of a single tick bite but an accumulation of tick exposure.
Dec 1, 2016 1:47 AM # 
How do you cheat with intervals when you're not on the treadmill?

You don't want lessons from an expert cheater, do you? ;) If I do a 1-minute interval on the treadmill, I have no choice but to keep my legs moving at the speed I've set. Otherwise, I'll fly off the back! If I do a 1-minute interval in real life, my speed can vary during the minute. Given that I mostly run on trails and hilly gravel roads, it would be hard to keep a constant speed even if I were any good at that. I think I just get lazier when there is no threat of imminent injury involved in my speed work.
Dec 1, 2016 4:26 AM # 
I gotcha! (I was just being nosey)

Thanks for the podcast - will listen on my next trip to Burlington.
Dec 1, 2016 1:38 PM # 
I may have to stop reading Bash's AP log... too much info ... making it very difficult for me to float through life in Blissful Ignorance! :-)

.. are you sure Emily's story isn't just a big fabrication, like school shootings and Trump winning the election?

Dec 1, 2016 2:44 PM # 
Good thought - I'll check it out on those lists of fake news sites. ;)
Dec 1, 2016 2:59 PM # 
I have 3 tick bites from Australia. As like everything else from there they were each super aggressive and had already made quite a mess by the time I found them. Two different medical personnel assured me that their ticks do not carry nasty diseases with them so there's that at least.
Dec 1, 2016 3:52 PM # 
Jay ... I heard two different arguments (between Aussies) about whether or not they had confirmed Lyme disease in Aus yet. and Dave from (all male Aussie Team I can't remember name of) assured me that he knows people who got that meat allergy disease from Aussie tick bites... You'd likely know by now if you had it I would think?
Dec 1, 2016 5:00 PM # 
The allergy is rare so I wouldn't worry but it's not a bad idea to be aware of it since the reaction hits 3-6 hours after eating red meat so the connection isn't obvious. Silkychrome's blog said she had her first reaction a few weeks after a race where she had a huge number of ticks. Wikipedia says the first reaction to meat can take up to 6 months after a tick bite. Silky wasn't the only one to pick up lots of ticks in that race but I think she was the only one to contract the meat allergy. However, one of her teammates came into the race with the meat allergy already.

More from Wikipedia:

There are many different types of ticks in Australia but the one mainly suspected of causing the meat allergy is the Australian Paralysis Tick, which is found in a 20 km strip along the east coast of Australia, where there are lots of people so bites are not uncommon. (Although the meat allergy is *very* uncommon.)

This tick is implicated in a few other diseases similar to the tickborne diseases that exist in North America, including "Lyme-type" disease as Wikipedia calls it. There is disagreement among doctors as to whether Lyme exists in humans in Australia - but regardless, they do say you should get antibiotics if you see early Lyme-type symptoms. Symptoms of some tick-related problems can take weeks or months to appear, although the paralysis toxins would cause symptoms within a few days.

Jay, you might find the article interesting. As in NY, odds are low of any serious problem from a tick bite but they mention specific symptoms where you might seek treatment, e.g. a black scab developing over a bite or flu-like symptoms.
Dec 2, 2016 4:01 AM # 
i feel so famous!

you guys are all good AP log readers bc most of the above is correct. Garrison on AP is the first person i know w this allergy. he had a lot of trial-and-error figuring it out but eventually self-diagnosed. my first symptoms were the same as his so i went to my doc and she diagnosed me, a few months after an AR where my whole team was infested w seed ticks.

the allergy is really hard to diagnose bc of the delayed reaction (about 4hrs after eating mammalian meat) and the weirdness of it (who has an allergy that starts in the middle of their life, to something they've successfully encountered?). anyway once you know what to look for, the medical test is simple and conclusive.

i am really lucky that Garrison had this allergy first. he had a lot of unfortunate reactions before figuring it out. i only had one. since my first reaction, i've had a couple partials that have been controlled w anti-histamines. sometimes they aren't even triggered by eating mammalian meat - my most recent episode was seemingly stress- and cold-related.

for me i wasn't a huge red meat eater so cutting that from my diet is not a big deal. there is some annoyance eating out and having restaurants garnish things with bacon. but really not a massive problem.

when i listened to the podcast i thought the main character was over-dramatic. but entertaining.
Dec 2, 2016 4:46 AM # 
Welcome to the heroine of this AP thread! :) Glad you're not having too many issues with it, Silkychrome. I agree re the podcast - sounds like it was a much bigger deal to her!
Dec 2, 2016 1:34 PM # 
BMX Bandits!

(random post... Just remembered name of Aussie team referred to in my post above)
Dec 2, 2016 4:01 PM # 
silkychrome has me curious about something now. I have never experienced the meat allergy thing, but on at least a half dozen occasions I've gotten a pretty sever 'body-rash' when I've gotten cold while also exerting myself (usually also wet/damp). I've been much colder at rest (eg icefishing) and never had the same issues.

Wondering if... ' my most recent episode was seemingly stress- and cold-related.' might be unrelated to the tick/allergy issue? Maybe just another side effect of AR? :-)
Dec 2, 2016 4:41 PM # 
Got me curious... Sounds like "Cold Urticaria" or "Exercise-induced Urticaria". It is more common in people with food allergies and it can happen when exercising in hot weather too. I think Kyle P had that problem for awhile after an exped AR.

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