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in: Bash; Bash > 2017-01-25

Jan 26, 2017 8:43 AM # 
Hammer:
Oh USA how you are so much worse again! What a disgrace when tweeting science is considered 'rogue' while Trump tweeting lies and propaganda is considered 'fact'.

link works (then need to sign in to twitter).

There is also

@RogueNASA
@AltForestServ
@Alt_NASA
@altUSEPA
@Alt_CDC
@AltHHS
@alt_fda
@Alt_NIH
@altusda
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Jan 26, 2017 9:47 AM # 
Cristina:
For a while there was a rogue (and funny) Badlands account going by @BadIandsNPS (which looked the same as @BadlandsNPS with Twitter's font) but they seem to have changed to @BadIandsNPSFans. Probably they were not quite different enough for Twitter's satirical account rules.
Jan 26, 2017 1:20 PM # 
Bash:
Thanks - I have a lot of new accounts to follow today!
Jan 26, 2017 1:33 PM # 
JayXC:
@AltNatParkSer as well.
Jan 26, 2017 1:53 PM # 
Bash:
Thanks! It's too bad Twitter was less popular when Harper muzzled Canadian government scientists. I attended an air quality meeting where one of them was quietly handing out CDs containing a suppressed government report on the impact of climate change on human health. This all feels sadly familiar but I love the scientific resistance!
Jan 26, 2017 2:09 PM # 
JayXC:
Whups, that's the one that started this thread.
Jan 26, 2017 2:32 PM # 
Bash:
That was @AltUSNatParkService so I thought there was another one!

Speaking of which, there is a cautionary note in this article about the implications of rogue government accounts. It would be easy for hackers to spread malware with a fake rogue account. So we might want to avoid clicking on links as these accounts proliferate.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2017/01/2...
Jan 26, 2017 6:03 PM # 
Bash:
Oops, you're right, I'm wrong. AltUSNatParkService is their full name and @AltNatParkSer is their Twitter handle.
Jan 26, 2017 6:08 PM # 
Bash:
There is an @RogueCIA account that is just a Trump supporter. Sample Tweet: "I used to wonder how the Holocaust could happen.Thanks 2 the left and their support 4 #PlannedParenthood no matter how evil, I no longer do."
Jan 27, 2017 1:10 AM # 
Hammer:
@sean_spicier
Jan 27, 2017 2:12 AM # 
Abizeleth:
I joined twitter yesterday and have been enjoying following some of these!

Favorite response so far:

First they came for the scientists...

And the National Park Services said "lol, no" and went rogue and we were all like, "I was not expecting the park rangers to lead the resistance, none of the dystopian novels I read prepared me for this, but cool."
Jan 27, 2017 3:30 AM # 
Bash:
:)
Jan 27, 2017 4:21 AM # 
Bash:
@ungaggedEPA
Jan 27, 2017 4:24 AM # 
Bash:
@ActualEPAFacts
Jan 27, 2017 4:27 AM # 
Bash:
@AlternativeNWS (National Weather Service)
Jan 27, 2017 10:11 AM # 
Work4justice:
Sweet. On Twitter now! Add @Hotspringsnpa, first federally declared National Park in 1832.
Jan 27, 2017 1:36 PM # 
Bash:
Thanks!
Jan 27, 2017 1:41 PM # 
Bash:
Just checked @sean_spicier and it is not a "resistance" account - quite the opposite! But it's one of the best account names.
Jan 27, 2017 2:15 PM # 
Bash:
This article suggeets that we should be suspicious of "alt" accounts. They could just be collecting followers to sell an account, for instance. One thing they pointed out, which caught my eye too, is that several of the account descriptions use the British spelling of "subsidised".
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/twitter-alt...
Jan 27, 2017 3:05 PM # 
Bash:
@RoguePOTUSStaff

Although it would be awfully easy to use any of these unverified accounts to spread fake news. Hmmm.
Jan 27, 2017 6:15 PM # 
Work4justice:
Admittedly I would be surprised if POTUS staff was real, but it's pure gold nonetheless.
Jan 27, 2017 6:46 PM # 
Cristina:
Thought this audience might enjoy this edition of PolandBall: http://imgur.com/Ph7SFPj
Jan 27, 2017 11:11 PM # 
Bash:
Ha!

I'm suspicious of Rogue POTUS staff although in a Facebook discussion on this account, an Iranian-American friend of a friend claims, "The tweet that POTUS was going to tweet about canceling the trip but did not intend to. It went out before POTUS tweeted. That is verifiable." When someone commented on his detective work, he said, "I was raised in this environment. Handy mindset I'd hoped to never have to use." So maybe...?
Jan 27, 2017 11:57 PM # 
Cristina:
It also seems like the tweet about photoshopping inauguration photos came out well before the photoshopped hands photo came out elsewhere. I'm still skeptical but it is at least amusing.

Edit: I see now that the photoshopped hands thing is not true, which means perhaps this is all just part of an elaborate hoax!
Jan 28, 2017 3:43 AM # 
Bash:
We'll have to keep our antennae up regardless of the information source - something that has made reading a lot more time consuming! At least this week has been useful for brushing up on my climate science via the alt accounts.
Jan 28, 2017 2:38 PM # 
Bash:
Hmm, the original "alt" account, @AltNatParkSer, was allegedly passed from National Park Service staff to outside "activists and journalists" a few days ago. That was reasonable, given the risk to their jobs. But now the account name has changed to @NotAltWorld, supposedly to take pressure off the parks staff. Could still be legit - will watch.

In the meantime, a new account has just popped up, @ALTUSNatParkSer, and it has already posted a piece of dubious climate change info that makes me think it's not legit. Ugh.
Jan 28, 2017 2:53 PM # 
Work4justice:
Information is difficult to come by. Thread followers may be interested to know that that at least for the last three days, the White House comment line is closed, my senators have full voice mail boxes and when ask to reach someone else, the phone rings and rings. Did have a long conversation with my (junior) US rep staffer, he remarked what a beautiful district we have and I shared that's why I'm concerned about the EPA among many other things.
Jan 28, 2017 3:28 PM # 
Bash:
Trump has suggested that citizens can leave a Facebook message for the President instead of calling the White House. !!

Here's another option - a tool that connects you to random Trump properties around the world because "Until Trump steps away from his businesses for real, their property is no different from the Oval Office." From the digital arm of Bernie Sanders' campaign.
https://boingboing.net/2017/01/27/the-white-house-...
Jan 28, 2017 4:09 PM # 
Bash:
And someone has launched a *new* @AltNatParkSer account that currently has no tweets and almost no followers. I'm surprised Twitter even allows that.
Jan 28, 2017 4:18 PM # 
Bash:
The tweet that made me suspicious from @ALTUSNatParkSer was:
"The most recent survey of climate scientists said about 57% don’t agree with the idea that 95% of the change in the climate is caused by CO2."

That was clearly a flawed statement and when I googled it, I discovered it was a quote from Rick Santorum in 2015. Politifact subsequently debunked it.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements...

A lot of people are being played. :(
Jan 29, 2017 4:11 AM # 
Bash:
More of this. From @RogueNASA:
"Warning: @NASAGoneRogue seems to be a fake anti-climate change troll account."
Jan 29, 2017 3:02 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Thread followers may be interested to know that that at least for the last three days, the White House comment line is closed

I cannot see anyone supporting an administration that turns off the comment line.
Jan 29, 2017 4:03 PM # 
Bash:
There are so many ways I could finish that sentence but 45's supporters have proven me wrong again and again. :(

As a Canadian, I never imagined doing this but I just donated to the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union), one of the organizations that fought in court yesterday to win a temporary block of Friday's executive order on refugees and immigration. The ACLU is going to be very busy for a long time and this is not just a domestic problem.
https://www.aclu.org
Jan 29, 2017 4:06 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
How would you finish the sentence if you found out 44 shut the comment line off?

Would have donated in 2011 had you known 44 banned Iraqi refugees?
Jan 29, 2017 5:00 PM # 
Bash:
I hadn't detected your sarcasm so I just meant that turning off the WH comment line seems minor compared to things that haven't offended supporters, ranging from bragging about sexual assault to refusing to release details on potentially huge financial conflicts of interest. He said, "I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters".

I rarely donate to American organizations because tax receipts enable me to provide more support to Canadian organizations. My donation to the ACLU is not just related to this executive order. Agreed, no previous administration has been perfect but for many reasons, this administration is a huge concern to people around the world, including your next door neighbours. I don't yet see the checks and balances that were supposed to keep an erratic individual from causing serious trouble so I want to support an organization that has already stepped up. I acknowledge that millions of people are thrilled with the past 10 days and they can save their money.
Jan 31, 2017 2:50 AM # 
Work4justice:
+1 on ACLU
And, suspected something amiss...http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/trumps-faulty-ref...
Jan 31, 2017 4:28 AM # 
Bash:
Thanks for the background. I'd heard a partial explanation of why the previous decision was different but this is more helpful.

On another note, David Duke has called Prime Minister Trudeau a "dangerous cuck" for welcoming refugees, and has sent out a few nasty tweets about him over the past couple of days. Count me as a proud Canadian to be on the wrong side of the KKK.
Jan 31, 2017 4:31 AM # 
Abizeleth:
:) I told someone today that when Michael Moore, the pope and Dick Cheney all agree that you're doing something morally despicable, you might want to rethink your strategy...
Jan 31, 2017 4:35 AM # 
Bash:
I was thinking about that line tonight and trying to remember the 3 names so I could tell 'Bent! I remembered Michael Moore but completely forgot about the Pope - oops.
Jan 31, 2017 8:40 AM # 
Cristina:
Not only is the comparison to 2011 poor, but the left were indeed often critical of Obama on immigration policy, so saying "It's not much worse than Obama!" is both wrong and also not going to win you any points.
Feb 1, 2017 3:24 AM # 
Mr Wonderful:
I've only done two things where I ever expected I might win points from Bash, and neither were posting in her log.

My hypothesis is that the reprehensibility of an act varies depending on who is doing it. I suspect if Trump tried to grab a guy and elbowed a woman during a government meeting, it would be considered evidence that he's unfit to lead. For other world leaders, it wouldn't do anything to diminish their popularity.

Less informed people might think things like New Years Eve in Cologne should have an effect on the vigorousness of vetting, or that it should at least spark discussion on the merits of an open door policy. I don't think that makes them bad people.

Friendly reminder of Cristina's chicken filter, should you want to use it.
Feb 1, 2017 6:34 AM # 
Bash:
No chicken filter here!

My hypothesis is that the reprehensibility of an act varies depending on who is doing it.

That's more than a hypothesis. We all consider people's words and actions in context of who they are and everything else they say and do. If your wife says something to you, you don't necessarily take it the same way as if some person at work says the same words.

if Trump tried to grab a guy and elbowed a woman during a government meeting, it would be considered evidence that he's unfit to lead.

If it occurred in a similar situation (pulling an opposition member through a group of politicians intentionally blocking the man from his seat in the House of Commons), the story would barely be reported. Trump's supporters would admire him for taking action; his non-supporters have bigger fish to fry. By contrast, Trudeau's loss of patience was front page news for days. It was almost universally criticized by Canadians; he apologized immediately and again the next day, and the incident was referred to a House committee for review. It was a big deal here.

I didn't say anyone was a bad person; I only said I had donated to the ACLU. Of course discussion about immigration is important for every country and should be based on accurate information and both domestic and international law.

This discussion thread is closed.