There can never be enough CPR training so I totally agree with you. That's must have been quite the experience.
a good prompt to recall the steps of CPR - thanks, super. good that you two were there to help........
Wow, I can't imagine the emotions you and Harps must be feeling tonight. Thank goodness you showed up and helped her get the best possible care under the circumstances. Did you exchange any contact info so you can talk with her friend later? I'm sure she and the woman (or her family) would want to thank you both, regardless of how it turned out. 'Bent once did CPR on a runner who died of a heart attack in our driveway and his wife was grateful to see us and talk at the visitation. It was reassuring to her to know that everything possible had been done. (Not just 'Bent - the Fire Dept appeared after awhile and did CPR with mechanical ventilation.)
I almost always have my phone and 'Bent chastised me for leaving it behind for the Canadian Champs middle distance orienteering race in the DV. I figured the race would only take 35-45 minutes so it would be OK. Near the remote start, a helmet-less volunteer fell off his mountain bike and landed on his head; there was lots of bleeding and I was one of the few people around - with no phone, argghh. I had to flag down teenagers to call EMS. :(
Will see about getting certified at work. There was a session a week or so ago. About the only things I could do better next time is to be more prepared and to be better able to think clearly through a crisis. The medical part will be what it will be.
curious if you don't mind me asking......did the physician do CPR with compression & ventilation, or just CPR with compression? the last certification I did last year said research suggests just compression gets as good results??maybe that is just with a non medical good samaritan? 100bpm x 30, breathing check, then back to compression. the best tips that stick in my mind through the training was at least 2" compression now in an adult (I guess breaking a rib is the least of worries), and to the beat of the BeeGees "Staying Alive" which gets you close to 100 bpm. super, let me know if you want me to try to find out, through some contacts here, the woman's outcome.
Yes just compressions I think. 911 operator provided a rhythm when we were on our own. The doc that we found was definitely more aggressive but I did't see all the treatment because I left to find a qualified cpr provider and then to intercept the paramedics and bring them back. Didn't work, but seemed a good idea.
I'd like to know how she did. I suspect not well but I've got no idea really. Cops wouldn't tell me this morning for privacy reasons. Conservation might be the same and that's ok.
Actually the doctor and at least one other bystander who knew CPR did mouth-to-mouth several times, one which saliva/blood came up as a result.
I've heard what Baloney was told - that the latest recommendation is that non-medical good Samaritans are best to just do compressions but people with medical training (and possibly extra gear like a CPR mouth shield or mechanical ventilator) could add the breathing. After 'Bent's incident, I bought a small CPR mouth shield for my purse - not that I would ever have it on the trail where it might be needed most.
Agreed, they've simplified CPR for lay people. Better to just do compressions than to do nothing if you're not OK doing mouth-to-mouth. Both are just buying time until you can get a defib on there. Baloney did a good summary!
hey supe, just got confirmation that your suspected outcome is correct. sorry.
Ah, shit. Too bad. But I'm not surprised.