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Discussion: I like the lime!

in: Mr Wonderful; Mr Wonderful > 2017-05-22

May 22, 2017 1:45 PM # 
I like the lime!
May 22, 2017 1:47 PM # 
Also white and black are available:
May 22, 2017 2:27 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
For limes, it's really not bad. T has white, so that's out. Everything is black. Lime might be the winner!
May 22, 2017 3:25 PM # 
Syd has black. I thought there was a light blue but maybe not for this model or maybe sold put
May 22, 2017 3:44 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
$50 more for blue, talk about a dilemma!

(I see the sport in blue, not the run.)
May 22, 2017 4:04 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Or splurge for the peak? 20 hrs at 1 s, 30 hrs at 5 s, and 200 hrs at 60s! No need for a screenless logger at Untamed New England!

In 60s, do you still get heart rate?
May 22, 2017 4:10 PM # 
I'm not sure, i can give it a try tho
May 22, 2017 4:51 PM # 
Just don't buy the Vertical, its antenna sucks.
May 25, 2017 4:00 PM # 
I just got the Ambit 3 Peak Sapphire through Suunto since the discount is so good now. HRM wasn't included but I think it was included with the black one - not as pretty though. :) I was told (by people who could have sold me one for $$$) that the latest generation of Ambits is less accurate with shorter battery life so I wanted to grab an Ambit 3 Peak in hopes of using it for a few years while Suunto addresses that.

I don't think it would replace a screenless logger though...?
May 25, 2017 5:04 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Peak seems like a great choice. Not sure why the later ones are going with less battery life!

I have been unhappy with my screenless logger shopping experience. :( Many missed legs in races with the one I got, not sure how many other $50-$120 trials I want to go through to find one that works for me.

I don't think a gps watch either:

* screen locked on heart rate + elapsed/current time


* stuck in top shelf pouch on pack

is immoral, and I wish rules reflected this. There are many other ways I could cheat, more easily, such as:

* RD seals *a* phone, but I could bring a half dozen free-after-rebate phones w/ maps
* I could drop teammates (less likely at WT given lack of out and backs!)

which are all trust issues. If I can be trusted not to need to be strip searched, or to not have four SI sticks tacked to each risk, why should I not be trusted to keep my screen locked?
May 25, 2017 9:48 PM # 
Agreed, we rely heavily on the honour system and there's not much we can do to prevent people from cheating if their consciences don't intervene. Unfortunately, as a racer, I've seen lots of rules broken by other teams - including top teams - so I know the honour system doesn't always work.

At WT, we need teams to carry a phone for safety reasons and that overrides our concern that some teams might use them to cheat. I once received a call at HQ from a navigator informing me that he had just used his phone to figure out where they were so they wanted to be DQed. I think there are more racers like him than the other kind.

A GPS watch isn't necessary for safety; it's just a "nice to have" item. Since it can be used to assist in navigation and doesn't provide a safety benefit, it isn't allowed. You make excellent arguments but Bob gets to draw an arbitrary line in the sand and the watch ended up on the other side. :) Teams that carry their trackers properly usually get a pretty good track to review post-race, if that's any consolation.

You might be surprised to hear that Bob considered a GPS category to increase attendance but we can't properly handle more teams than we've been getting so that idea has moved to the back burner. That would have added a new type of potential cheating: a non-GPS team could run into a GPS team and ask their position.

We are allowed to use GPS watches at Storm the Trent as long as we don't use them to navigate but that's not an AR where distance estimation is particularly helpful on the trek or paddle. (We always have bike computers to show distance when we're riding.) Bob designs WT as a mini version of an exped race where you wouldn't normally be permitted a GPS watch, so think of it as being trained for your debut on the ARWS stage. :)
May 25, 2017 11:07 PM # 
You can borrow my tracker, see if you like it.

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