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Discussion: Umm

in: britty327; britty327 > 2017-05-20

May 23, 2017 12:34 AM # 
Misplaced CP's are only part of unvetted AR's..and should 't ever be. No orienteering background perhaps? That would frustrate the hell out of me!
May 23, 2017 12:57 AM # 
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm getting rather bored of losing the misplaced CP debate at races. It's not ok that this is becoming a regular occurrence.
May 23, 2017 1:48 AM # 
Really, what's there to debate?
May 23, 2017 9:23 AM # 
Exactly. At POCAR this year we weren't allowed to continue the race unless we went back 8k round trip to find a misplaced CP that the RD could not tell us with confidence where it was located. We packed up our gear and went home.
May 24, 2017 1:33 AM # 
That is unacceptable...I hate it when RDs don't take it more seriously. POCAR is POCAR...but in the bigger ARs just no excuse. I get parallel errors and sometimes a circle floats when a map is printed, but to say it would be a marathon? Sorry to hear about this.
May 24, 2017 12:10 PM # 

slightly different light if the CP's had to be relocated last minute. but even then i wonder...was it that the USFS didn't know where the CPs were in the first place (lack of communication from RD) or was there truly a last-minute USFS problem that dictated it?i think either is pretty plausible.

BUT it's not hard to relocate CPs accurately with all of the GPS tools that RDs have available to them. it does take time, yes. but that's what teams are paying you for, among other things.

i think the best way to communicate this to RDs is just not going back. which sucks too.
May 24, 2017 1:25 PM # 
Agree W4J, POCAR is POCAR :) you know what you're getting when you sign up.

To be fair, this was this race company's first AR under a new name, but I don't think it was the RD's first race. The video to me sounds like they will not take this race as a learning experience, chalking it up to part of the game.

My expectations for AR are pretty low, with the exception of 2 things. 1) Maps are legible. 2) CPs are accurate. If either is missing, and swag consists solely of a shirt that says "I can do it for hours" (can't make that up), what are we paying for? A new fleet of canoes perhaps? This is far and away the priciest 24 I have done yet, at $290 per person for 3p teams and $325 for 4p. Blows the $10/hr standard out of the water. Good news is there are a whole lot of quality races along the East Coast. But Blue Ridge sure is a beautiful area.
May 26, 2017 4:14 AM # 
congrats on the finish, and hear this age old dilemma is even up for debate at a 'bigger' AR; IMO, if the RD is a orienteer/navigator themselves, they tend to value this aspect a bit more than those that are not. The combination of navigation and strategy is what differentiates AR from other sports that only complete a course. At the pre-race/start, RDs should make clear that if a CP is deemed incorrectly placed, teams should move on with the knowledge that they will get credit for being in the correct spot. For the cost vs amount of race course, it should not be an Easter Egg hunt!!
May 26, 2017 10:58 AM # 
Preach. I think that is going to have to be a standard question asked in pre-race briefs from now on to hold RDs accountable. When brought to the RD's attention post race, we were told if they were found to be 100m+ away from the plot, teams would be given credit for them. Of course, when final results were posted, no teams were given credit. It does not affect our coed ranking, so it's not a big deal, but it's the principle of the matter. The forest service reasoning is a poor excuse, and even if that required the moving of some CPs, it is not possible for the FS to have affected the CP in the MTBO where all CPs were on trails.
May 29, 2017 3:14 AM # 
so easy to put a flag in the correct place if you use Avenza maps. You don't even need a phone signal, just use GPS. link to video?
May 30, 2017 1:13 PM # 
Probably why people keep coming back to races you design and set.

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