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Discussion: Disq?

in: TheInvisibleLog; TheInvisibleLog > 2017-05-27

May 28, 2017 6:29 AM # 
'scuse me for asking - but how does one get disqualified at a Bendigo club event?
May 28, 2017 7:21 AM # 
Uncle JiM:
By not punching the last control 'inside the square'
May 28, 2017 7:24 AM # 
May 28, 2017 7:46 AM # 
Tough love;
May 28, 2017 7:49 AM # 
Uncle JiM:
There is no evidence this happened, The penalty was self imposed
May 28, 2017 8:34 AM # 
One thing I definitely do not miss from the manual punching days was the interminable discussions at OA conferences and Technical Committee meetings over issues such as whether or not officials at manned controls should be allowed to ask you for your card if you didn't show it to them, or exactly how many pins you could have out of a box before it became grounds for disqualification.
May 28, 2017 9:20 AM # 
I remember being lost in those days and being accused of cheating by going to the controls in the wrong order, which of course l wasn't doing. SI is a great thing
May 28, 2017 11:14 AM # 
I MPed myself from an early sprint event with manual punching. They weren't checking the punch patterns (we didn't take things too seriously over here, at least not for sprints because they were a novelty) but I admitted getting a wrong control or out of order or something.
May 29, 2017 9:23 AM # 
It was a traditional format old school event. You are not using punch cards if you have no out of square dsq. Here is the evidence Jim.
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While were are at, any good event also needs a mapping controversy. Hre is Jim finding fault with the direction of the tags on the dam wall on the marzipan map that accompanied the cake.
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He had a point.
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A high quality re-enactment was provided in yet another quality Bendigo event. To continue the theme you are invited to follow Blair's lead and debate for the next week whether 25% of pins outside the box represents a mispunch.
May 29, 2017 12:45 PM # 
I punched 14-18 in the wrong boxes (skipped one) but I'm not as honourable as you.
May 29, 2017 1:17 PM # 
Uncle JiM:
My understanding of the rules, is that is allowed, as long as you keep them in order
May 30, 2017 2:43 AM # 
Indeed it is (rule 20.8, which we haven't got around to abolishing yet). Neil's punch would also be legal as it's partly inside the box and can be clearly identified.

(Wonder when the last group A or B event with manual punching in Australia was? 2000 was definitely the last Australian Championships).
May 30, 2017 3:49 AM # 
But he would be DNS for not signing the waiver wouldn't he?
May 30, 2017 4:24 AM # 
Uncle JiM:
Nice Gruver, Nice :)
May 30, 2017 5:16 AM # 
Pay that one. May have to amend the results. Has there ever been a DNS recorded for a Bendigo local event?
May 31, 2017 12:51 AM # 
We've had DNFs at score events before where the participant actually returned to the finish.
May 31, 2017 9:36 PM # 
Jun 1, 2017 1:25 AM # 
The woman concerned DNFed herself. I do not know why. If you look at her history of results she frequently comes up short in scatter events and MPs in line events so perhaps she is scared to record an actual result in case someone thinks she's too competitive (her best actual result for the year is last place, which she's managed on five occasions since our winter season started).

Actually we had four DNFs at one of our score events back in February. I don't think people here know how they work since we rarely run them.
Jun 1, 2017 2:19 AM # 
Some people DNF or MP themselves when they have a bad run. Apparently an acronym after your name is better than admitting to a slow time.
Jun 1, 2017 6:27 AM # 
Its probably worth remembering the real olden days of punch cards. The IOF rules were pretty lenient and used to state:

20.7 A competitor with a control mark missing or unidentifiable shall not be placed, unless it can be established with certainty that the competitor visited the control and that the mark missing or unidentifiable is not the competitor’s fault.

20.8 One mistake per competitor is acceptable, eg. marking outside the correct box or jumping one box, provided all markings can be identified clearly.

They got much stricter with the advent of electronic punching.
Jun 1, 2017 6:30 AM # 
Hooray, I can stop feeling guilty.
Jun 1, 2017 7:31 AM # 
Is that because it's harder to punch outside the box with an SI tag?

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