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Discussion: WOC Relay

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Jul 7, 2017 7:55 AM # 
Quick copy and paste of the US relay info. Feel free to use this thread for commentary!

The Classic Relays start today!

The Men's race begins at 1 pm (6 am on the East Coast) and the Women start at 3 pm (8 am on the East Coast).

The men's order is Greg Ahlswede, Eric Bone, Giacomo Barbone. Morten decided not to race due to illness.

The women's order is Evalin Brautigam, Alison Campbell, Cristina Luis.

Jul 7, 2017 10:01 AM # 
and they are off
Jul 7, 2017 10:05 AM # 
Ugly already
for GBR and SUI
Jul 7, 2017 10:21 AM # 
Greg ahead of Hertner through the arena passage :)
Jul 7, 2017 10:40 AM # 
Crazy results - anything can still happen with this forking!
Jul 7, 2017 10:40 AM # 
Our JWOC team is watching with the Swiss team. It's not often you see the Canadian and the Swiss come through the arena at the same time :)
Jul 7, 2017 10:42 AM # 
Good run by Damian = bad run by Fabian :)
Jul 7, 2017 10:43 AM # 
Damien in 16th, four minutes back of the leaders! And a nice run by Greg, especially in the first half of the race!
Jul 7, 2017 10:44 AM # 
Anyone know how to get the live stream to show GPS tracking for the current leg, and not just the first leg?
Jul 7, 2017 10:45 AM # 
There's a drop down below the GPS, pick Men-2
Jul 7, 2017 10:47 AM # 
Jul 7, 2017 10:53 AM # 
CZE got all the way back to #1 - wrong map ?
Jul 7, 2017 10:53 AM # 
Forgot to flip map?
Jul 7, 2017 10:55 AM # 
Yep, looks like that now.
Jul 7, 2017 11:06 AM # 
Thierry vs Magne Daehli on last leg.
Jul 7, 2017 11:06 AM # 
France finished the second leg in a great position. Can TGIF catch the Norwegian?
Jul 7, 2017 11:10 AM # 
It'd be an amazing career finish for Gueorgiou if he anchors France to gold in the relay.
Jul 7, 2017 11:13 AM # 
Lithuania WERE racing out of their minds! (EDIT)
Jul 7, 2017 11:14 AM # 
90s is a lot, but Lithuania is in trouble.
Jul 7, 2017 11:16 AM # 
> It's not often you see the Canadian and the Swiss come through the arena at the same time :)

Probably not since 1997 when Wil Smith had a killer first leg and we ended up 15th (Smith, Graham, May, Waddington)
Jul 7, 2017 11:18 AM # 
Commonwealth Cup:

GG storms GB into lead.

CAN, AUS, NZL all together.
Jul 7, 2017 11:20 AM # 
TG has gained seventeen seconds against Daehli in 2.4 I'm, but that doesn't seem enough to close the remaining one minute lead by the finish.
Jul 7, 2017 11:24 AM # 
The big question: by how much will Kempster beat Giacomo? :(
Jul 7, 2017 11:26 AM # 
C'mon, you're living in Canada, you should be rooting for Emily. How many other men will she beat? It'll be fun to see.
Jul 7, 2017 11:30 AM # 
TG just lost all that gain again avoiding the terrain
Jul 7, 2017 11:31 AM # 
Jul 7, 2017 11:36 AM # 

Those were the days, eh?
Jul 7, 2017 11:50 AM # 
Emily caught 1 second on Craney over the splits so far... looks like GBR has Comm Cup tied up
Jul 7, 2017 11:54 AM # 
While it is a pity that Emily doesn't have a women's team to run on (just like it was when Ted was his best in '85 with no Canadian men's team that year) this sure is fun watching her hold her own and also school some top men on this final leg.
Jul 7, 2017 11:54 AM # 
Very happy for the Estonian boys! Timo spent a year in Adelaide (in high school) so we claim him as ours :)
Jul 7, 2017 12:04 PM # 
Nice run, Emily!!
Jul 7, 2017 12:15 PM # 
Good job by the US men, too - I think 24th is the best they have done in a while!
Jul 7, 2017 1:10 PM # 
Woah, SWE women are crushing it...
Jul 7, 2017 1:11 PM # 
Jul 7, 2017 1:18 PM # 
Ooo ... Tove with a mistake ...
Jul 7, 2017 1:23 PM # 
Everyone seems to be making mistakes at 4-5.
Jul 7, 2017 1:24 PM # 
... but recovers and FIN gives it back on the next control.
Jul 7, 2017 1:26 PM # 
Tove practices the finish shute :)
Jul 7, 2017 2:09 PM # 
Have they said anything more about Switzerland's protest against Tove crossing the finish line during the run-through?
Jul 7, 2017 2:23 PM # 
Is it all over? I forgot :(
Jul 7, 2017 2:30 PM # 
I think the women are still running?
Jul 7, 2017 3:07 PM # 
Protest was either tossed out or ignored.
Good to see they didn't have the last control in the arena. Acknowledging mistakes is beyond them, but maybe they are capable of learning?
Jul 7, 2017 3:11 PM # 
Great run by Cristina!
Edit: probably still a great run, but I just found out she was in a mass start, so my time calculation is off
Jul 7, 2017 4:29 PM # 
Did they protest??? Sportmanship ...
Jul 7, 2017 4:38 PM # 
The protest was just a rumour according to worldofo twitter.
Jul 7, 2017 9:46 PM # 
Can't imagine there would be any basis for a protest - the only thing she could be done for would be not following a marked route, but she did follow the marked route (just with a bit of an side trip on the way).
Jul 7, 2017 10:08 PM # 
The protest was announced on the live stream, so if it was a rumour they got wind of it pretty quickly after the finish (within 10mins I'd say).

Apparently there's a rule that once you cross the finish line that's the end of your race, you can't go back out. She crossed the line, went back and then round the final loop, before crossing again to finish the race.
Jul 8, 2017 12:26 AM # 
What's this about a protest, would someone like to give us background? Some hours after the racing and the official website only has news about the men, as far as I can see. Maybe they are still in the protest room:-) (I'm not a fb-er or a twitterer.)
Jul 8, 2017 12:27 AM # 
Any official who would interpret this as a violation of that rule is a pedantic idiot.
Jul 8, 2017 12:39 AM # 
The speculation on the Swedish version of AP is something similar to this from 2003:
Jul 8, 2017 12:51 AM # 
That seems eminently sensible; clearly neither Tove nor the Swedes gained any advantage.
Jul 8, 2017 1:46 AM # 
In any case, even if there were a technical violation of the rule against re-entering the competition area after crossing the finish line, the rules say only that a competitor who breaks a rule "may" be disqualified, so it would be perfectly open to a jury to find that there was a technical breach but take no action.

Incidentally, that particular rule has been broken by the first and second-leg runners of just about every WOC medal-winning relay team (except those involved in last-leg sprint finishes) in living memory.

It does remind me a bit of the flurry of protests and counter-protests between Finland and Russia at the 2006 MTBO WOC, but at least you can say that those two countries have a certain amount of history :-).

Assuming the protest actually happened, I hope the organisers found something worthwhile to do with their 50 euros.

(Update: I've since heard via a relevant IOF official that a protest form was collected but not lodged).
Jul 8, 2017 2:45 AM # 
Looking at the men's relay results it looks like a mistake has been made - the placings of the last-leg runners have been changed (which is why Ruairi Short is listed with 33 minutes and a leg placing of 29th, when he presumably actually did 47, something consistent with the splits), but the team total times and placings have not been adjusted for the mass start - including ranking mass-start teams after the others.

Assuming the mass start took place at 105 minutes (is someone able to confirm this, or otherwise?), I think the correct order should be 27 ISR, 28 TUR, 29 JPN, 30 IRL, 31 POR, 32 BRA, 33 HKG, 34 CHN. I'll follow up with IOF.
Jul 8, 2017 5:04 AM # 
Uncle JiM:
Womens did start at 105 mins, so I assume the men did as well
Jul 8, 2017 10:29 AM # 
My assessment from live results and gps yesterday was it started at approximately 105mins as well. Not a thorough assessment though.
Jul 9, 2017 4:10 AM # 
As much as I would like to have been 33, yes I really was 47. There didn't seem to be any checks or anything about who was in the mass start.
I can confirm that we started at 13:45, which was 105 mins.
Jul 9, 2017 6:45 AM # 
Relay Leg 3
Jul 9, 2017 10:22 AM # 
Looks like the women's times are also wrong (assuming that Cristina's time was the 70 she said on her log and not the 36 it says in the results), but this doesn't look like it changes any placings.
Jul 9, 2017 1:18 PM # 
Funny that in the previous two WOCs we've hard organisers unable to print maps and collate results. Pretty simple stuff.
Jul 10, 2017 12:20 AM # 
Or, far as I can see update a website. Could be my cache, but "see all news" finishes with an item about the mens relay - nothing about the women. And where are the official results? I can only see a link to the live centre, which says: "note that results on this page are not official." Perhaps where the internet cable goes through the Bermuda triangle something has been snagged by those foiling catamarans.
Jul 10, 2017 12:47 AM # 
The official results are (or should be) on IOF Eventor. I've got a response from the IOF office to the effect that the people responsible for timekeeping are looking at it.
Jul 10, 2017 9:22 AM # 
I see some news about the womens relay on the website today. Nice. But the map links are still inactive. I guess they want the grass to spring up again, they don't want people out there.

(My comments suppose that its not my browser at fault - anyone like to comment?)

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