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Jul 9, 2017 4:38 PM # 
starts tomorrow!

Go Canada Go

BTW There doesn't appear to be any links on JWOC web page to live coverage. IOF live page suggests only split times for all races with no GPS or TV streaming.
Jul 9, 2017 4:50 PM # 
Yes, the Live Orienteering page doesn't have any links to GPS or streaming.
I logged in and it said "You have a ticket to follow Junior World Orienteering Championships 2017". Maybe it's free.
Jul 10, 2017 4:03 AM # 

Article includes links to GPS tracking site. Go USA! Go Canada!
Jul 10, 2017 5:09 AM # 
An hour to the first starts, there is blue sky and loads of excitement as the parents (who found sleep difficult to find in the pre-Day 1 long Finnish 'night') get going...

The photographer is in in the woods!

Go go Canada and USA!
Jul 10, 2017 5:53 AM # 
looks like some kind of live streaming, has not started yet
Jul 10, 2017 6:08 AM # 
Hehe, looks like the JWOC website is overloaded.
Jul 10, 2017 6:23 AM # 
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Jul 10, 2017 6:31 AM # 
GPS is up
Jul 10, 2017 6:35 AM # 

Live stuff
Jul 10, 2017 6:49 AM # 
Direct link to live results at Doesn't seem to be any link to that off the JWOC page that I could find.
Jul 10, 2017 7:09 AM # 
Brief interview with Caroline Sandbo on the video. They also showed Katie Petersen finishing. She had a lot of trouble on number 6.
Jul 10, 2017 9:19 AM # 
Nice being able to see the map before the race is over. In WOC I don't know why the links to the maps weren't activated earlier, since they were available to GPS followers.
Jul 10, 2017 12:27 PM # 
The second link here has the results of each heat for the middle. How many in each heat move on?
Jul 10, 2017 1:21 PM # 
20 from each heat qualify for the A final.
21st - 40th get B final.
Remainder get C final.
Jul 10, 2017 2:42 PM # 
Bravo all Juniors! Some really solid US performances. It was fun watching your dots, and everyone's ... Izzy, my NEOC buddy, great job!!!!

But looking at the big picture - has there ever been a JWOC when SO many people ran off the map? And on the way to number one? And stayed off the map for so long? My heart went out to them, and huge kudos to the ones who stuck with it and finished (one guy took about 40 minutes to number one, then was basically clean the rest of the course).
Jul 10, 2017 2:46 PM # 
And a huge bravo to Alex Carcas!!!
Jul 10, 2017 4:36 PM # 
Photos of North Americans posted on smugmug and facebook. Shots of other athletes soon!

Nice Job USA and Canada!!!!

Jul 10, 2017 8:26 PM # 
USA: Anton makes the A final! David missed it by one place and 26 seconds.
Jul 10, 2017 11:12 PM # 
Photos from Middle Qualifiers and Fin 5 Days:

Canada: Michael S. made the A final.
Jul 11, 2017 12:11 AM # 
Interesting to look at the flags, where the man's A final is dominated by flags with a cross, while the B final of flags that have green and red or orange.
Jul 11, 2017 4:04 AM # 
O Joy:
Middle start times for North Americans

C final
12:12 Katie
12:16 Nicole
12:20 Tyra
12:22 Carolyn
12:29 Emma S.

12:16 Aidan
12:21 Peter
12:29 Caelan
12:47 AJ

B final
12:23 Emma W
12:29 Julia
12:31 Siri
12:51 Izzy

12:15 Thomas
12:17 Christian
12:21 Leif
12:23 David B
12:52 Jan Erick
12:58 David R

A final
13:19 Michael S
14:07 Anton
Jul 11, 2017 4:06 AM # 
Photos of most athletes from the rest of the world now posted on smugmug and added to facebook.

Jul 11, 2017 10:02 AM # 
Isabel is having a great run so far middle B.
Jul 11, 2017 10:36 AM # 
Aston was always going to win the C after MP-ing in the qual:-)) I'm sure you'll have your day. Nice story on the IOF website.
Jul 11, 2017 10:46 AM # 
And well done Nick in the B. There was a tight bunch in the minute ahead of you in the qual, you may have made it in a different heat. And likewise Katie C-W, there were some wildly different qualifying times in the girls. Now to watch A's...
Jul 11, 2017 11:31 AM # 
Last leg on Men A looks like a long track run - not what you'd expect at a world championship. Having said that a lot of guys are veering off the track into the green! Something not quite right with the map?
Jul 11, 2017 11:45 AM # 
The women have the same leg, and some of them are heading off left into the green as well. What is going on?
Jul 11, 2017 12:02 PM # 
There must be an unmapped trail there from the look of it. Strange.
Jul 11, 2017 12:04 PM # 
Certainly weird - there's another one. You'd think the mapped track would get easier to follow, not harder.
Jul 11, 2017 12:09 PM # 
Not a good look though - could be the difference between a medal or not.
Jul 11, 2017 12:12 PM # 
Danielle has been lured off the track. Compass compass.
Jul 11, 2017 12:15 PM # 
Nymalm following. There's gotta be something in the forest that's not on the map. And yet, I saw a guy go off on the SW side too. Bermuda triangle.
Jul 11, 2017 12:21 PM # 
I switched on the first 20 routes. I think there could be two initially parallel tracks. The one that leads to the last control starts by a medium boulder. The one that many have followed leads astray, and eventually runners realise and cross over to the other one. Check the theory on the guys' routes, someone.
Jul 11, 2017 12:24 PM # 
That is super weird. Some people are being lured a very long way.
Jul 11, 2017 12:29 PM # 
American Anton Salmenkyla appears to have a top half result in the A final.
Jul 11, 2017 1:00 PM # 
Hey that's the 2nd-placed English speaker! D'ya wanna apply for membership of the Commonwealth Cup?
Jul 11, 2017 1:01 PM # 
Simona avoided the mistake by heading straight through the green from 15.
Jul 11, 2017 1:02 PM # 
Can only assume that there's an unmapped track (whose visibility has probably been increased considerably by the number of people who have run down it). I imagine the jury is probably desperately hoping that nobody puts in a protest.
Jul 11, 2017 1:02 PM # 
Golaster would have been 2nd, but didn't punch the last control.
Jul 11, 2017 1:04 PM # 
Sanna Fast could protest - she would have been in silver instead of bronze but for that leg.
Jul 11, 2017 1:06 PM # 
In the men's race Forsberg maybe could have got bronze, but hard to prove.
Jul 11, 2017 1:07 PM # 
But really - why isn't there another control to avoid that 'dead (or maybe deadly) leg' - plenty of features they could have used.
Jul 11, 2017 1:10 PM # 
Golaster reinstated, but Fast could still have been 3rd without that mistake.
Jul 11, 2017 1:27 PM # 
They ran all wrong direction and up a hill when you are supposed to go down :) Anything is possible when we dash to the finish.
Jul 11, 2017 1:37 PM # 
relay map on google imagery, use top right slider to swap
Jul 11, 2017 1:38 PM # 
Anyone know what the historical best placing for a Canadian Jr Man is in the Middle?
Jul 11, 2017 2:08 PM # 
Jul 11, 2017 3:24 PM # 
It looks from that site as though Anton's result is the best placing (by one) for an American male in JWOC Middle.
Jul 11, 2017 5:24 PM # 
A final men: Anton (USA) 29th, Michael (CAN) tied for 37th.
Jul 11, 2017 9:27 PM # 
It's really fun to see familiar last names! The next generation is doing well.
Jul 11, 2017 10:00 PM # 
Photos from the middle A final (smugmug and facebook) and a few from the B & C final (smugmug and facebook).

And kudos to the A finalists for the US and Canada.

Jul 11, 2017 11:24 PM # 
Awesome results for Anton and Michael! Way to go.
Jul 12, 2017 12:47 AM # 
Photos from Middle Final:
Jul 12, 2017 1:00 AM # 
Thanks for the all photos! It's nice to have some great quality photos of the North Americans. Good luck all on sprint tomorrow!
Jul 12, 2017 9:47 AM # 
Tommy, make hayes while the sun shines:-)) Gr8 run.
Jul 12, 2017 10:33 AM # 
It took right until the end, but still a superb 2nd. Kiwis can fly, and not only on foiling catamarans.
Jul 12, 2017 7:20 PM # 
Photos from Sprint:
Jul 12, 2017 8:20 PM # 
North Americans in the Sprint now on facebook and smugmug.

Jul 12, 2017 8:30 PM # 
My JWOC photos so far. Including quite a few North Americans as well. Photos are tagged e.g. Yhdysvallat (USA) and Kanada (you might guess what this means).
Jul 12, 2017 8:30 PM # 
Re: Last control on middle. There was a new track in the terrain that went to the knoll, used for a Fin5 control before JWOC.

The issue of Fin5 being run before JWOC was brought up in the TLM. It seemed like they didn't seem to care. When some TMs pointed out that 3000 people will make new tracks and the map will be invalid the IOF SEA said that the Fin5 was in a conpletely different are. It was then pointed out that the Fin5 maps were publically available hours before quarantine would then allow us to work out wherr JWOC went. So they posted a Fin5 map in the accommodation.

There is no reason for Fin5 to be before JWOC. There was a Fin5 control within 5m of a JWOC control on thr middle Q, and the organisers stated in the TLM that there wasn't, when I told them they were wrong and there was, they said they didnt know about it.

For a country as experienced as Finland I have been disappointed by many preventable issues at this JWOC. As I was in Norway.
Jul 12, 2017 9:06 PM # 
Bugaboospire, dyee and Hirppa, thank you for the pictures! Hirppa, that one control was quite the spot for pratfalls.
Jul 12, 2017 10:28 PM # 
Watched Michael S (CAN) and Thomas L (USA) Sprint GPS tracks and kept hoping it is just one of those GPS tracking inaccuracies ;(
Jul 12, 2017 10:33 PM # 
Top 10 men and women finishers on facebook and smugmug.

Jul 13, 2017 1:22 AM # 
Thanks Nixon for your information about the middle. From a distance, it seems like a disturbing lack of communication between JWOC and Fin5 controllers.
Jul 13, 2017 10:31 AM # 
Lack of communication between JWOC and Fin5 controllers does not explain FIN5 errors like code errors and more than one runner starting same time to same course. Already at least ten classes are already voided for various reasons like that. As you might guess, some pretty humoristic questions is now being asked from organizers, like will last day's chase start be mass start if all days before it gets voided...


In two classes 2 days out of 3 has been voided.
Jul 13, 2017 3:07 PM # 
via twitter:

Jul 14, 2017 6:50 AM # 
There's a lot of map that the long courses avoid. It will push the boys towards the road routes. Maybe the controllers did talk, and the Fin5 is using the rest of the map:-))
Jul 14, 2017 7:12 AM # 
Or tomorrow's relay is...but obviously the planners want the road used, otherwise there wouldn't be a clear passage marked towards it.
Jul 14, 2017 7:24 AM # 
But Wilson, Carcas and Ueno are determined to have a look over there anyway. Years of driving on the left.
Jul 14, 2017 7:33 AM # 
From his GPS track, I suspect that controls 14 to 19 don't feature in the Carcas plans for today (presumably injury?).
Jul 14, 2017 8:03 AM # 
Hanny Allston was interviewed earlier, and said that her advice to the AUS team was to look for wide, road route choices. Out of 4 AUS starters so far only Winnie Oakhill has put that advice into practice.
Jul 14, 2017 8:05 AM # 
Jenny I've got another theory. The farmer wanted a track made over the paddocks. And there's a forester who wants to extract a tree near the girls' #11.
Jul 14, 2017 8:12 AM # 
Isn't it unfortunate that next year we will all be too busy running at WMOC to be doing this!
Jul 14, 2017 8:35 AM # 
Jul 14, 2017 9:16 AM # 
That makes Jenny's theory about saving part of the map for the relay quite interesting. But surely not..
Jul 14, 2017 9:35 AM # 
BTW, funny place to put a phi loop.
Jul 14, 2017 6:43 PM # 
Fun fact. Just read in a British federation tweet that in today's women's JWOC Long four countries placed three women in the top 20. Without looking at the results (or the press release) try to predict those four countries.
Jul 14, 2017 6:47 PM # 
@Hammer: Sweden, Norway, Finland, Belgium
Jul 14, 2017 7:08 PM # 
Uncle JiM:
Swiss, Finland, GB and 1 other
Jul 14, 2017 8:31 PM # 
North Americans from the Long race today on smugmug and facebook.

Jul 14, 2017 10:04 PM # 
>Four countries placed three women in the top 20.


(no Sweden, no Finland)
Jul 14, 2017 10:39 PM # 
Shots of the top 10 Men and Women now in facebook and smugmug
Jul 15, 2017 5:18 AM # 
Photos from Long:
Jul 15, 2017 9:57 AM # 
Teams are making their way to the quarantine and the map board is loaded.

Men's relay starts 1:30 and women's at 2:45.

Anton, Thomas, David

Peter, AJ, Aidan

Jan Erik, Leif, Michael

Christian, David, Caelan

Julia, Tyra, Isabel

Siri, Caroline, Katie

Emma W, Emma S., Nicole
Jul 15, 2017 10:39 AM # 
Jenny was right. Same map as the long.
Jul 15, 2017 11:22 AM # 
Strange results at the moment on the live results page from the first change-over...
Jul 15, 2017 11:49 AM # 
USA and Canada together on the last leg. Exciting!
Jul 15, 2017 12:12 PM # 
Anyone got live results working? Who won?
Jul 15, 2017 12:16 PM # 
It looks like Men: Norway, Finland, Russia.
Jul 15, 2017 12:19 PM # 
live results stayed broken for me. If it helps, for the guys and counting only one team per country, I counted NZL 14th nation (or 15 if the gap between them and DEN less than gps error), AUS should be 17th, USA in a tight battle with LTU, and EST for 18th, and CAN due to be next in after that pack, though they may also end up fighting with BLG and POR. Meanwhile it's bedtime in NZ, I'll let an AUssie take over for the girls! ;-)
Jul 15, 2017 12:22 PM # 
"Live" is going now that the race is over. Do we call this "dead results"? Might turn in too Twitch, we're not going to see a down-under medal for the girls. Or any result at all for the kiwis:-(( Never mind, there's orienteering tomorrow. Fight you at Battle Hill.
Jul 15, 2017 12:38 PM # 
A really nice team performance by the USA1 boys. They finished as the 18th country, which is tied for the USA's best-ever JWOC men's relay result.
Jul 15, 2017 12:58 PM # 
It's OK, now GPS tracking has died for the last leg of the women, too.
Jul 15, 2017 1:06 PM # 
Back up now. Looks like Sweden have gone through Norway, and maybe Switzerland too. Switzerland 1 aren't showing up in the leg 2 results - wonder if it's a mispunch?
Jul 15, 2017 1:16 PM # 
Yes, GPS tracking back, now live stream is offline. I guess they are probably struggling with Internet connection - not really fair to complain, it is all free this time and overall quite good coverage, if a bit patchy.
Jul 15, 2017 9:06 PM # 
O Joy:
It was great to have the live GPS stream in the arena with GPS trackers on everyone in all the races except the middle final. We were watching everything that was happening in the woods on our phones with 4 Euro unlimited data SIM cards.
Jul 17, 2017 1:40 PM # 
Finally got all my photos up from JWOC. Photographing WOC+JWOC takes it toll... Not sure how some of the athletes can do it..?
Jul 28, 2017 7:09 PM # 
JWOC 2017 Relay photos:
Aug 1, 2017 5:36 PM # 
Jan Erik Naess:
It has been about two weeks since JWOC happened and I have finally been able to write a proper post about what it was like for me. This year was filled with some pretty sweet moments, not just for myself, but also a good portion of our team. We are all on an upward trajectory!

Sit down with a cup of coffee or substitute this in for the daily newspaper because it is a bit of a lengthy post. But I feel you will enjoy it :)

Thanks again to everyone who supported us this year!
Aug 2, 2017 10:55 PM # 
LOVE this, Jan Erik. Great writing, and I really like the way you set your goals.
Aug 3, 2017 7:32 AM # 
Jan Erik Naess:
Thanks Barb :)

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