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in: GRennie; GRennie > 2017-10-15

Oct 17, 2017 5:26 AM # 
KateK:
Heal!
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Oct 17, 2017 5:33 AM # 
GRennie:
But HPP applications are sooooon :s
Oct 17, 2017 6:18 AM # 
KateK:
I did think of that earlier when I made the GVOC post and worried about it a wee bit for you. I'm always in favour of health and well being for the rest of life because the short gains are never quite worth it in my mind - but that is me.

Perhaps taking the awful weather (Nov-Jan) completely off running/training not including physio and icing type measures. Then in Jan starting a daily building up akin to what W is doing atm (ask him what he is doing) or something similar. Lots of cardio exercise in the pool to avoid concussive strain / uneven footfalls, etc. Strength workouts to avoid key muscle loss and then use Sprint Camp as your first major load and/or stress test to ascertain how the rebuild is going and how competitive you feel.

If all is well and you recover well - continue to train and ramp up all the way to WOC :D

PS x-country could be used as well as the foot is largely immobilized. Would also be an indicator of what exactly is hurting you as the strain would be different from running.

#justathought
Oct 17, 2017 6:25 AM # 
KateK:
If you ought to have been in a cast as the docs say but they didn't catch it so you weren't then you've been on it when you shouldn't have been. Which means as your body has tried to heal you've been undoing the work concurrently. So it's a wee bit miffed at you right now and things will take understandably longer with grumpy/inflamed body parts :P
Oct 17, 2017 3:12 PM # 
salal:
When I rolled my ankle badly I did spin intervals (classes indoors where its easier to just push the heart rate up) and some outdoors cycling as cross training for cardio. Also, some gym stuff and general all around strengthening to make sure the right muscles are ready for coming back to running with less chances of injuries.

Its not for the whole winter... maybe just for 1-2 months?
Oct 17, 2017 4:35 PM # 
emilyr:
I think looking into cross training options might be smart. Water running, spinning/cycling, general strength? Maybe even an elliptical? I'd assume that it's better to rehab it properly than it be an ongoing issue and you not being able to train properly for the whole year. And I think whoever looks over your HPP application will acknowledge your injury and be fine with an alternate training plan for the first couple of months that doesn't involve a lot of running.
Oct 17, 2017 7:59 PM # 
tnipen:
I vote for resting the ankle, but I also vote for 3 pool running interval sessions a week. If you do it right you might even up in better shape since it's hard to do that much high intensity on the roads. I can send you info on pool running workouts. I spent some time in the pool earlier this year when I had a stress fractures and I felt it gave good results.

Joan Benoit Samuelson won the 84 Olympic marathon despite spending the three weeks leading up to the race pool running due to a stress fracture. Some fools say pool running is deathly boring, and I agree, but Gdog Rennie is focused on achieving big things in 2018 so that shouldn't be an issue!

Oh and get that slacker Nate to join you, then you can race in the pool :D
Oct 18, 2017 11:48 AM # 
W:
Completely ignore and just hope it goes away.

100% guaranteed that something may or may not happen.
Oct 18, 2017 6:04 PM # 
BorisGr:
Do you tape and/or wear an ankle brace? I tape ankles religiously when running in terrain and it makes a huge difference. Though I would add a +1 for spin/elliptical intervals as a good alternative.
Oct 19, 2017 5:32 AM # 
GRennie:
Thanks for all the actual advice folks! I had not expected that. Especially W, that's my kind of strategy right there ;)

Boris - Yeah I tape it when orienteering in the woods - definitely helps a lot; usually just a brace for evening trainings on the roads.

Kate - What is the purpose of a "#justathought" hashtag? Seems very redundant when added to a thought
Oct 19, 2017 1:29 PM # 
KateK:
When else would you use it except to tag a thought? It’s similar in nature to saying, “just my two cents”. It is used to undermine ones advice or statement if one feels like the person to whom they are speaking is already predisposed to dismiss it (the advice) out-of-hand based on the whom of who is speaking or some other such pre-established criteria in the relationship.

But thanks for arguing that point rather than the merits of my advice!
Oct 19, 2017 3:35 PM # 
salal:
Haha, don't let this thread get off topic like almost every other discussion on attackpoint ;).

The takeaway here as many people have said is that with a decent effort on cross training you can stay in good cardio shape (or possibly even improve, depending on how hard you try)... and give your ankle a bit of time to heal properly. + some actual ankle rehab exercises / physio may also be needed.

The goal should be to be ready, injury free, for the next real orienteering season (aka spring/summer). So if that means spin intervals and pool running for a month or two now - just try to think of the longer term.
Oct 19, 2017 4:23 PM # 
KateK:
Haha Salal that's exactly what I was trying to convey in my first post :P I can't resist answering a direct question especially when it is in regards to a word or phrase #logophile :D
Oct 19, 2017 9:36 PM # 
BB:
So is voting still open? I thought I had ran out of time to cast my ballot.
Oct 19, 2017 10:41 PM # 
GRennie:
True True, thanks again salal. For the record I've been to physio 10+ times already :( And he said it was time to start running (but to back off it it hurt/swelled - like now haha)

Kate I didn't mean to 'argue' any point - I genuinely didn't (still don't) understand that hashtag.

Go for it BB though I think there's a majority already ;)
Oct 19, 2017 11:18 PM # 
KateK:
See: new comment thread #justathought

You were foiled by another idiom. I did not mean arguing I meant what I said which was "arguing the point" a style of dialogue!

argue the point
To argue or debate a specific side or perspective of an issue at hand, often more for the sake of argument than a genuine attempt to persuade the opposing side.
Oct 20, 2017 12:25 AM # 
BB:
This thread is so long I have forgotten what I would be voting on! - so will pass - am assuming it is not about same sex marriage which we have just voted on in Oz, with results due mid November (albeit it was a voluntary postal vote which is not binding on the federal pollies).
Oct 20, 2017 12:40 AM # 
GRennie:
Never heard that one before either!

We can vote on that if you'd like! Maybe the Oz gov will see this and get with the times haha
Oct 20, 2017 4:31 AM # 
LOST_Richard:
We just voted in our council elections for Mayor

(just to keep you noisy, only No 5 at the minute)
Oct 20, 2017 6:08 AM # 
W:
In the interest of keeping this thread hurtling off-track, I'd also like to inform you that Edmonton's election happened last week. Don Iveson won with 72% of the vote. Most of the other candidates were pretty darn weird, so this is really no surprise. One candidate said that by the year 2050, Edmonton's population would be 20 million, which would be quite the explosive population growth. Another fellow, when asked about how he would improve the environment, said he would "bring the songbirds back". Another one, wasn't actually the candidate, it was his "agent", so there was speculation for a while if the agent and the candidate were the same person, because no one could get a hold of the actual candidate.

Since I know your interest has been piqued, I recommend watching the first mayoral forum here / https://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/municipal_..., where one male candidate calls a female candidate "sweetheart" and she threatens to knock him out if he doesn't apologize.

You're welcome.
Oct 20, 2017 6:13 AM # 
KateK:
+1 to W
Oct 20, 2017 6:20 AM # 
dbakker:
My student union elections are currently ongoing, although only one candidate seems to have campaigned in anyway that I have seen on campus, and that is by putting up a bunch of posters everywhere displaying his magnificent mustache.

(Update on the GRennie's noisy log status: moved up to #4 from #5.)
Oct 20, 2017 6:48 AM # 
BB:
Up to #3 now!
Oct 20, 2017 7:03 AM # 
KateK:
I think this rise deserves recognition on Patrick’s post about the general lack of discussion on AP...
Oct 20, 2017 7:07 AM # 
LOST_Richard:
It is a high bar to get over PG & Pink Socks
Oct 20, 2017 8:45 AM # 
BB:
Only PG to go now - sure we can do better than #2
Oct 20, 2017 3:55 PM # 
Nev-Monster:
Dr. W's medical advice should always be read in the voice of Dr. Nick.
Oct 20, 2017 5:47 PM # 
W:
Call 1-600-DOCTORW, the W is for Whatever.
Oct 21, 2017 1:11 AM # 
mellis:
I vote for cross-training for a couple of months. Agree with tnipen re intervals in the pool and kate (?) for xc skiing once we get snow. I'm sure that the HPP reviewers would look kindly on a training plan that includes a rational plan for the season that includes x-training as part of the base phase. -;
Oct 21, 2017 3:06 AM # 
GRennie:
Holy Moly! Crazy when you don't go on AP for a day and come back to a 30 post long thread on your log.

Thanks for the updates on various elections folks, good to see democracy doing its job and whatnot.
Oct 21, 2017 10:56 AM # 
W:
And yet, we still can't crack Pink Socks' stranglehold on the top.
Oct 21, 2017 7:45 PM # 
GRennie:
It can't be done.
Oct 22, 2017 12:44 AM # 
BB:
Can report that at 11.43 am Australian Eastern Summer time on 22 October 2017 that GRennie is the top of the Noisy Logs list - so it can be done (if we make use of different time zones).
Oct 23, 2017 1:41 PM # 
LOST_Richard:
we got tRicky up to 2nd without trying, Canada needs to lift its game!
Oct 24, 2017 4:31 PM # 
Pink Socks:
Bump for you!

When you get to br the noisiest log, try not to have a five-month old post where you insult people.

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