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Discussion: Olympics

in: iansmith; iansmith > 2017-10-20

Oct 20, 2017 5:50 PM # 
IOF is on it, but with the goal of asking for inclusion of orienteering in 2024 and 2028. Worthless venture in my opinion.

5.3 French Orienteering Federation (FFCO) – Paris 2024 Olympic and Paralympic Games
TH reported about the letter received from FFCO President Michel Ediar proposing cooperation in approaching the Paris 2024 OG organisers. Council discussed and agreed that LH and TH should discuss cooperation and actively follow-up with the FFCO as soon as possible. Furthermore, that letters to both the OG2024 and OG 2028 organisers should be prepared asking that Orienteering be considered for inclusion.
Oct 20, 2017 8:24 PM # 
From discussion with other national governing bodies (e.g. climbing, polo, frisbee), the paths to Olympic inclusion are very time-consuming and costly. Much better to arrive organically (e.g. climbing) rather than by contorting the sport to fit a new paradigm. Especially given the IOF's current budget deficit circumstances, it's unclear if this is a prudent track to invest in.
Oct 22, 2017 2:43 AM # 
The sport was already contorted to fit a new paradigm for this purpose, in a manner that did zero to get it into the Olympics, and that in my opinion was the wrong direction to go for that purpose anyway. I think many are pleased with where things ended up, but even though it happened not so long ago, I suspect that there are few who remember what the purpose was.
Oct 26, 2017 5:35 PM # 
Pink Socks:
What if, assuming that orienteering isn't in the Olympics in 2028, that we just bring SprintWOC to LA in 2028, anyway?

(Not during the Olympics, that would be cray, but before or after.)
Oct 26, 2017 5:59 PM # 
And run it through the olympic village or facilities to show how it could work for olympic inclusion?
Oct 26, 2017 7:26 PM # 
Pink Socks:
Sounds even better!

Sprint Camp has used the Olympic Village in Vancouver before, as well as the urban terrain around BC Place, too.
Oct 26, 2017 8:28 PM # 
Yeah, this is a really interesting possibility. It also looks like Sprint WOC will be on even years starting with Italy 2020.

More generally, I think orienteering and other quasi-Olympic sports can use LA 2028 as a marketing tool for our extreme coolness. The obvious context is that OUSA is a recognized sport organization (RSO) within the US Olympic Committee. We have contacts, we know peeps, and hopefully we can take advantage of this moment in sport. I have no specific ideas for how, but I'm happy to chat with our contact at USOC, Alicia McConnell - the director of training sites and community partners on any ideas we come up with.

Also, I think we should arrange for the US Junior and Senior orienteering teams to have a chance to train at the USOC Training Center - probably the one in Lake Placid, as the terrain near CO Springs is not very technical. Don't quote me yet, but I received vague intel that because we're an RSO, our athletes can use the facilities at the training center for like ~$40/day. Imagine if we had a training camp with a couple days at the USOC to focus on how to train to be an elite athlete, VO2 max tests, a chance to experience the atmosphere, and whatever other resources and perks they have there. The training camp participants could then train at nearby Moreau and Lake George and Albany area, e.g, or go north or south to Ottawa or Harriman.
Oct 26, 2017 9:25 PM # 
The ski-O team did a few training camps at Lake Placid OTC back in the 90's. At that point it was free but I think I heard somewhere that's no longer the case(?). They even gave us the keys to a 15-passenger van, but we weren't traveling anywhere near the distances you're talking.

When I inquired about VO2 max testing (back then) the response was that it was possible but it had to be part of the initial camp proposal, and, there was some other hurdle that I no longer recall. Might have been that it had to fit within their staffing constraints or maybe there was a fee. Funny thing was the staff person at the time was a former member of the ski-O team. We ended up setting up our own Conconi style testing on a long flat road using rollerskis and hr monitors and paced by a bicyclist with a speedometer and a clipboard for data recording.
Oct 26, 2017 10:13 PM # 
We went to the USOC training center several times back in the late 80s-early 90s, always in Colorado Springs. There was plenty of decent mapped terrain (Fox Forest being the closest one), if you drive up the mtns. (Are there any maps near Lake Placid that aren't for ski-o?)
We got to do VO2 max testing. Our coach Damon set it up so I don't know what it entailed. That was, I think, our second time there and it happened to be during the (1988 I think) Olympics, which may have made it easier to get in/do stuff.
I loved our visits there; the 24-hour all-you-can-eat cafeteria was great! (This was before the renovation; the place we saw three years ago was much bigger and nicer than what was there before).
Definitely something worth pursuing.
Oct 26, 2017 10:41 PM # 
The maps up Rte. 24, which were made specifically for the purpose of training in conjunction with the OTC, are quality stuff.
Oct 26, 2017 10:41 PM # 
Nice. So it could be a good option!
Oct 27, 2017 1:06 AM # 
Are there any maps near Lake Placid that aren't for ski-o?

Right. Moreau is probably closest at 1.5 hours, followed by other EMPO maps a bit further. 2008 NAOC maps at Tug Hill 3 hours. Burnt Mountain 3 hours. Ottawa ~ 3.5 hours. Harriman 4 hours.

I'm not familiar with the Colorado OTC area maps but I'm guessing they're more easily reachable than this since that was why they were made. There was a proposal to also make maps near LP but the story I heard at the time was that it wasn't seriously pursued.
Oct 27, 2017 3:12 AM # 
The closest of the Co Spgs OTC maps up Rte 24 is Saylor Park, about a 50 min drive. Florissant is about the same (further, but on better roads), and Lake George is just a few minutes further. There are also other maps in that area that were not made as part of the original OTC effort, the closest of which is Lake Manitou, at 40 min. And some (smaller) maps down in the flats, including the Fox Run map that Peggy mentioned.
Oct 27, 2017 7:48 AM # 
Pretty sure Erin has had the Juniors at the OTC in CO in recent history (2015?). I think it was considered a good experience, definitely worth chatting him up about it. Seems like it would be cool to alternate between Lake Placid and CO. Maybe?

Ian, the first Sprint WOC (2020) is in Denmark. Not sure what's happening in Italy that year but I have a feeling the sprint terrain in Denmark has a potential to be a bit flatter.
Oct 27, 2017 10:09 AM # 
I think the IOF was hoping that one of the Mediterranean countries would bid for the sprint WOC, but so far none have.
Oct 31, 2017 3:43 PM # 
Just jumping in here: I believe that Ottawa is working with someone in Lake Placid to help make some Sprint / Adventure Run style maps.
Oct 31, 2017 5:55 PM # 
David Hunter?
Nov 1, 2017 3:27 AM # 
I believe so.

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