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Discussion: Right of way

in: brycec; brycec > 2017-10-23

Oct 23, 2017 3:46 AM # 
Juffy:
*In theory* the cyclist does - in that if a bus can't complete the overtake and change lanes to pull into a bus bay safely then it should back off and pull in behind. If you went to pass the bus on the left* then you still have right of way but in reality you'd want to be damn sure the driver knew you were there. :)

* This is not 'undertaking' - you're in a separate lane, the rules against 'passing on the left' don't apply.
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Oct 23, 2017 3:51 AM # 
Juffy:
Also - it's illegal for a bike to pass a moving vehicle on the left with its left indicator on. If you're already alongside when the indicator goes on then the law of the jungle applies and you get the fuck out of the way. :)
Oct 23, 2017 4:16 AM # 
brycec:
Yeah it was more scenario 2 - where bus has just over taken you but you are still along side -

or your moving faster than the bus and have begun to over take it and then it indicates to the bay infinitely more dangerous as drive is likely to be unaware of your presence.

Interesting though - I did think that I would have right of way but didnt want to really test my rights in this instance.
Oct 23, 2017 5:05 AM # 
Juffy:
If the bus is going faster than you, but is still alongside you then it hasn't overtaken. I thought your scenario 2 was where you're going faster than the bus. And in all cases it's one of those "you might be right but you're still in hospital" things.

But if a bus was overtaking me and then chopped me off to get in a bay you can bet your ass I'd be stopping to give them a serve, and then lodge a complaint against them.
Oct 23, 2017 5:13 AM # 
tRicky:
Lodge a complaint or lodge a fox poop?
Oct 23, 2017 5:24 AM # 
brycec:
mmm ive seen that happen a lot of times on KPR - but no dedicated cycle lane - still find it rude when I see buses do it.
Oct 23, 2017 5:53 AM # 
tRicky:
Yeah it happened to me on the way to last week's Council meeting on Wednesday night.

Actually no it was the reverse where the bus decided twice in succession to indicate to pull out just as I got right up behind it (same bus). The third time I flogged it past before the driver could indicate.
Oct 23, 2017 6:21 AM # 
Juffy:
That's a bit different, because you explicitly must give way to them assuming it's safe to do so. Of course 95% of drivers are assholes and don't, so the bus drivers tend to just shove their way back out into traffic...and they also hate getting stuck behind cyclists. :)
Oct 23, 2017 6:23 AM # 
tRicky:
Yes I know we have to give way and in the above example I am frequently stuck behind buses for longer than is necessary because of the aforementioned drivers failing to give way and making me wait longer. It just seems to happen quite often that the driver sticks his or her indicator on to pull out just as I come up behind the bus, even if it had been sitting there for half a minute beforehand.

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