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Discussion: Timing

in: Rachel; Rachel > 2017-11-04

Nov 4, 2017 2:12 PM # 
tRicky:
I never really though about it from a competition viewpoint, that you really had to go out for an hour to be competitive. The comments I got from the survey that I put out after last season were that the score events weren't long enough for those people who wanted to do more but I've a fair idea the people in question walk the course and typically do over an hour on a scatter event anyway so from a 'getting your money's worth' perspective it is worthwhile but from the competitive aspect, it is not (unless you are an endurance athlete). It does however allow some people to step up once in a while (Graeme Harris for one is usually down the list at a scatter event but was well up the list today - slow twitch muscles?) Mind you, the 'usual' people still won today.

With the starts it's easier for SI if we don't run a mass start - not impossible, just easier. You'd have a fair whack of people finishing at the same time otherwise and the start would have to be bang on 5pm or else have people complain that the time was wrong! Although typically it is in a scatter anyway when the starter forgets to start the clock. With today's turnout at least I could have easily had everyone registered by 5pm (if they'd all turned up before then that is). Would have been faster again if OE Score had a member archive and I didn't have to type all the names in.

Funnily though at a standard Metro event, the mean time of finishers is <45 minutes but in the bush the mean is >60 minutes (but then most people aren't running for all of that).

Maybe next year I'll get the mix right although with that said, it's also not impossible to change it for the rest of this season and just call today an anomaly :-)
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Nov 5, 2017 2:17 AM # 
Rachel:
It takes the normal winning distance for the long from 7-8k at the regular events to Sten doing over 11k at yesterday's score. For me at a slower pace I would have been a bit under 11, maybe 10.7km if I used up the whole 60mins staying at the same pace I was going yesterday. It seems inconsistent for the series, but like you say gives some people who wouldn't normally do well a go at getting good results when the rest of us bail at 40-45 mins. Hard to please everyone and I'm ok with just sitting out the ones that don't suit us if there are a lot who like it.
For Amy saying she has an hour but only wanting to do the same distance she just dawdled and I was told seemed pretty bored that it didn't seem like a race. I wouldn't even let Liam start with the temptation to do more than 2-3k. He just doesn't get enough recovery time to do anymore than that.
Nov 5, 2017 3:14 AM # 
brycec:
Thing is if you take the competition hat off particularly for your kids and say - we just go for a standard length/time then it works too - the only scenario where it doesn’t is the competitive end of the field - not sure where the majority lie within metro - there’s quite a few competitive people. All the same I think people can choose what they want to do maybe there different options of competive 45 min - non-comp: be back before close.
Nov 5, 2017 4:18 AM # 
tRicky:
I know there are a few competitive people at the top end and then there are many who don't treat Metro all that seriously (I thought Rachel was one of these!) and only turn up every so often and/or just go out for fun. Although I guess there's competitive within the series and competitive at any given event.
Nov 5, 2017 5:50 AM # 
Rachel:
If I turn up I'm interested in either how fast I am or how good a route I've chosen compared to others. It takes away a lot of the interest to not be able to compare. I think you'll find that even mid and back of the field competitors still have rivalries and compare where they've come in the field at any given event. It's not like it was a bad experience, just not such a satisfying outing to necessarily make the effort to drive.
Like I said if there others that love this format and doing more distance don't pay any attention to me.
Nov 5, 2017 6:18 AM # 
tRicky:
I pay attention to all my constituents! I just can't please all of them ;-)

I guess one of the problems with the survey was that people only commented on time limits if they were unhappy with them. Nobody said 'Hey 45 minutes is a perfect amount of time" so I went with the comments.

On the other side of the coin you get someone like Sten who says the time is too long - not because he cannot run the distance but because it meant he'd be able to get all the controls and it loses some of the challenge! I'd been considering running (rather than riding) the score courses personally because of that very reason - I'd most likely complete any course up to 20km within an hour. Depends whether I can run (satisfactorily) by the next one though.
Nov 5, 2017 10:40 AM # 
Rachel:
I didn't fill in the survey because we only made it to one event from the last metro series so thought we shouldn't try to influence any decisions having not tried it. I am glad they are all on Saturdays now though, as part of us not making it to events last season was Liam having pennants tennis which rules out Sunday mornings.
Nov 5, 2017 10:53 AM # 
jennycas:
Funny how I don't like score events, despite being keen on rogaines. I think it's just that to me orienteering is a race against the clock and/or other people and all controls should be of equal value, because it's the route taken which is important.
Nov 5, 2017 12:55 PM # 
tRicky:
I don't like MTBO score events at all so you're not alone. Mind you I've lost all enthusiasm for rogaines too (although I'm doing an urban one this weekend).

I'll put up another survey form at the next score event to see what people's preferences are for times. I know you won't be there but I'll get a general consensus then for the future.
Nov 5, 2017 2:04 PM # 
Juffy:
general consensus

Hahaha. Hahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaheheheehahhe. *giggle* *snort*
Nov 6, 2017 12:20 AM # 
tRicky:
Well from those who are able to read anyway. Some of our long-term orienteers are a bit clueless on how things work even though we follow roughly the same process week after week. Mind you I only had to tell one regular on the weekend to go and punch the finish when he attempted to download before doing so.
Nov 6, 2017 3:57 AM # 
simmo:
One of the reasons for having a 45 minute limit last year, is that it was close to the median time for all three courses in previous years. The other was that the NSW street series we were copying had a 45 minute limit.

Personally I didn't mind the hour, but my preference would still be 45. With 60 minutes I didn't feel any pressure to go hard, but for me going hard is one of the reasons for doing the Metro Series.
Nov 6, 2017 4:00 AM # 
tRicky:
Looks like I tried catering for the social participants rather than the competitive ones. If I don't watch out, we will turn into rogaining! Well that's pretty much what the score format is anyway (except the circles were all in the right place).
Nov 6, 2017 4:12 AM # 
brycec:
im never going to live down the misplace in cottesloe on the edge of my novelty am i ? :)
Nov 6, 2017 5:05 AM # 
tRicky:
To be fair it's not just yours. I've done three 'novelty' rogaines in their present format since they were reincepted in 2009 and in all three there were misplaced circles. It's not so bad on a bush event because you can usually find it (if it's at least somewhere on the correct feature) but in an urban event with Q&A, you typically have no hope.
Nov 6, 2017 7:13 AM # 
Eliot:
Personally I feel 60 minutes is on the long side but then I go out for 69 minutes, so go figure.

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