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| # Posted 2007-11-12 21:57:22 | |
| barb: | I assume "felt" means you convinced them otherwise. |
| # Posted 2007-11-12 22:37:26 | |
| Kiki: | I think so. It's that damn charisma again. |
| # Posted 2007-11-13 20:21:52 | |
| ebuckley: | I'd like to see the whole debate go away by simply discontinuing the practice of putting water on the course. When the water rules were written, there was no such thing as a Camelbak. Now, anybody can get a prefectly good and comfortable hydration pack and carry as much as they need with almost no decrease in speed (unless they really need a lot). |
| # Posted 2007-11-13 20:32:43 | |
| jjcote: | In Scotland, if you ask about water stops, they look at you like you're nuts |
| # Posted 2007-11-13 21:02:37 | |
| Kiki: | I did tell them that if they didn't want to worry about it then they should just forget putting water out at all and make it really clear that there's no water on the course, rather than playing games with it. We'll see. |
| # Posted 2007-11-13 21:07:35 | |
| JanetT: | Many clubs don't put water on the course, and they let you know ahead of time. I think it's silly to say it's there, but make you go out of your way to get it (this includes A meets where water is placed on "convenient" roads and trails and not at control locations).
Either put water at control sites, or don't put out any at all. |
| # Posted 2007-11-13 21:37:41 | |
| walk: | Scotland seems to have been converted as the courses this summer had water. |
| # Posted 2007-11-13 21:41:10 | |
| Kiki: | Either put water at control sites, or don't put out any at all.
I agree, and if they're not going to put any out then they need a big ass sign that says so at registration, especially out here. And they should mention it on the website. I asked about water before heading out and they said, "yes, there's water at two locations and it's marked on the map". They should have said, "there's water, but it's totally not anywhere convenient, so you should definitely take your own." It's the desert, they should make sure they do some good CYA work. |
| # Posted 2007-11-14 04:05:57 | |
| ebuckley: | I'll certainly concede that running a meet in the desert requires organizers to take a bit more responsibility with respect to water. |
| # Posted 2007-11-16 08:00:29 | |
| Terry: | I agree with Eric that we should discontinue putting water out on orienteering courses. Putting water out is costly, time-consuming (during both course setting and control pickup), and waste-creating. It's kinda nice to run without a hydration pack, esp. when going through fences and stuff like that, but not really a big deal. |
| # Posted 2007-11-16 08:18:23 | |
| jtorranc: | I'd be extremely reluctant to discontinue putting out water on beginner and intermediate courses in hot weather since I don't think everyone in the world who isn't already a serious runner/hiker/etc. necessarily owns a hydration system and it seems like an unnecessary even if low barrier to entry. As to the rest of us, I prefer to run unencumbered and consider it worth the effort putting out water when it's my turn for that to remain possible but I wouldn't strenuously object to no water on courses provided it was adequately foreshadowed in the event advertising. |
| # Posted 2007-11-16 11:17:59 | |
| Eoin: | The organisers stated reasons for their water placement are not defensible; flags shouldn't be hidden so that it becomes that much more obvious when someone is standing there and the trade off argument is horse droppings - because they are totally missing the point that putting water out is a safety measure. However, if you actually do have a problem, and someone does get badly dehydrated - how likely is it that they will be able to find the control where the water is? I think its better to put water on tracks (if any) or other major line features (if any). |
| # Posted 2007-11-17 03:40:32 | |
| Terry: | jtorranc wrote:
> I'd be extremely reluctant to discontinue putting out water > on beginner and intermediate courses in hot weather since > I don't think everyone in the world who isn't already a > serious runner/hiker/etc. necessarily owns a hydration system At the beginner stage, a water bottle is a sufficient hydration system. And beginners already bring water bottles orienteering, since it doesn't occur to them that there will be water on the course. |
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