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Discussion: snow

in: biggins; biggins > 2017-11-11

Nov 13, 2017 6:14 PM # 
So... what are the chances that we can ski during Thanksgiving?
Nov 14, 2017 5:46 AM # 
Pretty good I’d say. They’re skiing at ASC now, though it’s thin. Big storm coming on wed/thurs, but it depends on temps. If it’s cold they should get a couple feet up top, if it’s warm maybe only a foot. But even that might last the week.

When are you flying out? Cause if it’s thursday morning haha.
Nov 14, 2017 12:20 PM # 
Sounds like maybe we should drive up on Tuesday then... we're flying this Thursday, in the Bay area over the weekend and theoretically I should work some on Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday.
Nov 14, 2017 2:54 PM # 
Oh no I meant big storm this Thursday, so good luck with the plane landing in SF =). I’m in SF too this week until Friday.

Were you guys going to borrow skis from Anna? They’re leaving for the week this Thursday, so you should sort that out today or tomorrow. Or I have plenty of skis if you can find NNN boots and poles. Or just bring your boots. Carol is probably 37 and Jonis might be 44 or 46? if those help.
Nov 14, 2017 5:30 PM # 
My feet are usually a size 6.5, or 7 for running shoes. I have two pairs of boots:

- Alpina skate boots. I can't find a size on them but they are 10.25in long.
- Salomon classic boots, size 39/7/24.5cm

Then I have a good pair of skate skis, a less good pair and classic fish scales. I only have one set of poles though.

I bet I won't be skiing that much, probably just putzing around on the classic skis if anything, so you can count on having my skate stuff.
Nov 14, 2017 7:13 PM # 
I was going to bring my own boots, and hopefully borrow some skis and poles, or rent if necessary. Skis, anything from 175-200 should work, poles I can make do with anything from 140-155. So maybe I should get in touch with Anna now...

Will the planes not land because of rain? That's intense.
Nov 14, 2017 7:13 PM # 
also, Friday morning run up Zan's mountain? A couple times?
Nov 14, 2017 7:16 PM # 
Nov 14, 2017 10:35 PM # 
An old pair of my race skis are out there. They're probably something like 183's. Poles, too, but definitely too long (162.5).
Nov 14, 2017 11:38 PM # 
Just snap off the ends to get the size you need.
Nov 15, 2017 8:30 AM # 
> Will the planes not land because of rain?
I think it’s the fog, but same idea. Carol’s gotten cancelled or super late more than once recently into SFO.
Nov 15, 2017 9:25 AM # 
When the wings get wet they can get floppy and less aerodynamic.
Nov 15, 2017 2:09 PM # 
uh oh, Cristina knows Things about Planes, and that sure doesn't sound good.
Nov 15, 2017 2:14 PM # 

They have to close half their runways if it's rainy or cloudy but planes are scheduled assuming full capacity. My sister and I have both had 12 hour delays flying into there in the past two years but that might just be unlucky.
Nov 15, 2017 2:26 PM # 
There was the 1982 crash at Washington National where snow built up on the wings before takeoff. The build up compromised the airfoil and the plane stalled and clipped a bridge, ending up the the Potomac. I recall hearing the reports live in Baltimore. Unfortunately, 78 people perished. The plane had been deiced, but got in line and waited an extended time before released for takeoff.
Nov 15, 2017 6:33 PM # 
The weather is not going to be that bad in the Bay Area tomorrow, I mean not anything like what Ken is referring to.
Nov 15, 2017 7:39 PM # 
Now, if they can't take off right away, the planes go and get deiced again. Usually that's the last stop before launch.
Nov 15, 2017 9:27 PM # 
Ice on wings == bad

And it makes a haunting sound if it happens in flight. (Not recommended.)
Nov 15, 2017 9:56 PM # 
The 1982 plane was because the crew tried to move up behind the plane in front of them to melt the snow off their wings (amongst other fuckups), but that just melted it a little and turned it to ice, so they lose even more lift. They've changed some protocols since then.

Cristina don't they have apparatus in the wings to heat and keep that from happening? Or was that broken? (I was once on a place LAX-BOS where that broke mid-flight, and we landed in DEN (which was VFR, BOS was above freezing but IFR). One guy was livid. Everyone glared at him, like, "dude, we don't want to die."

The linked article is mostly correct, but moreso, take a flight which is scheduled to depart before 9 a.m. PST (so any time in the morning from BOS, or an evening flight). Once a plane is in the air, it won't be delayed more than a few minutes, because there's only so much fuel on board. So you get to land. It's short-hauls, from LAX or SLC or DEN, which are held at their destinations. During bad weather it can be 2-4 hours. Beyond that means multiple things have gone wrong.

Good luck!
Nov 17, 2017 1:07 AM # 
Suzanne: mountain is big :)
Nov 17, 2017 1:09 AM # 
I mean...not as big as Carol & Greg's mountains...but, second, third, and fourth tallest is SF. And, if you want the 10 mile round trip on mostly trails you can check out the tallest too :)
Nov 17, 2017 2:37 AM # 
Is the new salesforce building taller than your mountain?
Nov 17, 2017 3:03 AM # 
Back to the snow issue -- skiing today at Craftsbury. Gotta love Vermont.
Nov 17, 2017 3:22 AM # 
Aww, it’s cute that you call that skiing. I had to zoom in so much to see your track I think I saw squirrels!

Any real snow yet? Or are they still working off last year’s pile?
Nov 17, 2017 12:17 PM # 
Well, I certainly didn't have to worry about getting lost. Fun with 30 middle school kids tearing around the track at the same time.

Talked about keeping a pile under 3' of wood chips, but they didn't do it this year.
Nov 18, 2017 12:34 AM # 
Alas ... I suppose I concede.

Evidently the new sales force building, with a "crown" topping out at 1070ft, is taller than any point in SF. Mt Davidson is the highest natural point at 927'.
Nov 18, 2017 3:47 AM # 
Sigh. Another reason to hate it
Nov 18, 2017 2:11 PM # 
Stop whining. After all, you could be stuck at home ... skiing. Oh wait, everything's closed.
Nov 20, 2017 4:21 AM # 
Everything’s closed in VT? That’s too bad, we’ve got real snow (from the sky) and grooming here. You should come out.
Nov 20, 2017 1:18 PM # 
No, no. Everything's closed in Tahoe. Or maybe not anymore. Good for you!

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