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in: Bash; Bash > 2017-11-28

Nov 30, 2017 1:56 AM # 
Whilst #45 denegrates decorated first nation veterans. :/
Nov 30, 2017 2:11 AM # 
By insulting a woman - sigh.

You've got to give him credit for some smarts though. He's managed to get himself into one of the few jobs in the U.S. where a man doesn't have to resign if the public learns that multiple women have accused him of sexual harassment/assault. Lucky him.
Nov 30, 2017 2:32 AM # 
Along with several hundred men in Congress who don't have resign for the same reason. I was on a local Sunday news show this past Sunday talking about Conyers. >sigh< I really should move to Canada.
Nov 30, 2017 6:38 AM # 
That's depressing. Unfortunately, we have our share of harassers in powerful positions too.

And our Prime Minister is on Twitter just like your President. In the past 24 hrs, he's tweeted (in both English and French) about:

- Meeting with athletes from the Special Olympics team and celebrating their medals and sportsmanship
- Appointing a new judge to the Supreme Court (a woman with 30 years of legal experience, 12 as a judge)
- Renaming his office building in the spirit of reconciliation with Indigenous Peoples
- An emotional day with members of the LGBTQ2 community after yesterday's apology. (Although he didn't finish his tweet with "Sad!")
Nov 30, 2017 10:30 AM # 
Ok Bash, you get some gay points today from me for using a gay term that I didn't know. I had to look up LGBTQ2 to see what the 2 was about. Apparently it's mostly used in Canada but I see no reason why it shouldn't be in use in the US, too.

If you collect enough points you can earn a toaster oven. Though I suspect you may already have enough and are currently working towards something bigger like a Subaru.
Nov 30, 2017 12:01 PM # 
Subaru’s are quite worth it. And looking in the bright side, maybe things are so dark now that only great things are in store for 2018, and 2020. But I’m a realist too.
Nov 30, 2017 1:38 PM # 
I hope you’re right, W4J. Also, I plan to get a new Subaru by 2020.
Cristina, I had to look up the 2 when I first saw it too, which wasn’t that long ago. So I still need to work to increase my GP.
Nov 30, 2017 4:49 PM # 
Dec 4, 2017 4:20 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
resign if .... accused

Accursed 5th amendment!
Dec 4, 2017 5:17 PM # 
Just reading the news and observing that in today's climate, if he were a news anchor, reality TV star or Billy Bush, he'd almost certainly be forced to step down from his job after more than a dozen public accusations of sexual assault, regardless of the 5th.

If a dozen men independently accused him of a different type of criminal behaviour -
pulling a knife or robbing their store - I wonder if more people would care. Especially if he had been recorded bragging about how he gets away with robbing stores because he's a star. Sadly, a lot of people don't take sexual assault seriously. (Obviously, I'm not directing that comment at you because, amongst other things, W4J wouldn't be your good friend if you were one of those people!)
Dec 4, 2017 5:30 PM # 
Not sure what the 5th amendment has to do with whether or not someone should resign, anyway. This isn't about a criminal conviction.
Dec 4, 2017 7:54 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Why is some form of due process objectionable?

For me, if they did something criminal, it should be about a criminal conviction. Try them and lock them up accordingly.
Dec 4, 2017 8:10 PM # 
If a salesperson is disgustingly rude to a customer does the employer have to wait for a criminal conviction before firing her? American politicians are being held to a really low standard and it’s sickening.
Dec 4, 2017 8:44 PM # 
Would it be OK to wait for conviction if a dozen different people accused your child's teacher or soccer coach of sexual assault?
Dec 4, 2017 9:28 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Does the employer have any evidence? I guess some might trust customers to have a 0% false accusation rate, although radio and reddit suggest otherwise, for whatever anecdotes are worth. There are papers suggesting the college false accusation rate is low, but not non zero.

When the first one presses charges, why wouldn't the person be arrested? That happens at area schools, per the local paper.
Dec 4, 2017 10:20 PM # 
The rate is non-zero but as the number of accusations grows, the probability of every single one being false decreases. Still non-zero but a lot closer to zero. Especially when the person being accused has bragged about committing that offence.

Most people don't report sexual assault to the police or else they go public many years after it happened. Most people who commit sexual assault are never charged, arrested or convicted. If I'd been assaulted by him, I don't think I'd be brave enough to go public since - in addition to all the usual reasons for not wanting to go through a sexual assault trial - some of his accusers have received threats. I'm happy to race off-trail through the night in grizzly bear country but that would take courage I don't have.
Dec 4, 2017 11:21 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
When I woke up today, I had no idea that evidence-based dismissals would approach my most controversial AP statement: that rogaines have no place in championship AR.
Dec 4, 2017 11:45 PM # 
Haha! We're on the same page there.
Dec 5, 2017 3:14 PM # 
Sooo... how's the Subaru shopping going? :-)
Dec 5, 2017 5:29 PM # 
Another reason 2020 is going to be a great year - a new Subaru!
Dec 5, 2017 10:19 PM # 
Hoping for “a great year” well before then.
Dec 5, 2017 11:24 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
I'm excited for 2018. Cali Cowboy logged again!
Dec 6, 2017 2:24 AM # 
He posted a mountain biking photo on Facebook last week too!

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