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Discussion: Wonderful!

in: Charlie; Charlie > 2018-02-15

Feb 16, 2018 10:29 PM # 
Torino:
Yes, that is a great park, and you will have a race there. We stayed in the big hotel up there with a grand view.
And yes, I was always impressed how much walking that locals do in that city. There are just no parking spaces.
Enjoy your time there, it is one of my favorite areas to visit.
We have also been up to the monastery Montserrat before opening hours at 7:30 am. Very, very impressive and beautiful especially also the big rocks and mountains behind which we explored a little bit. It will be fun to see your O-maps if you can load them onto AP.
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Feb 17, 2018 1:16 PM # 
Geoman:
Sounds like a wonderful itinerary. Leslie & I loved Barcelona.
Feb 17, 2018 5:21 PM # 
Sandy:
You seem to do these O tours regularly. I may have to start looking into them - they really sound like a lot of fun.
Feb 17, 2018 6:25 PM # 
Charlie:
Hi Sandy: They are fun, but these PWT tours require that you are comfortable hanging out with a group for whom English is the second language. Mostly all Scandinavians, but most of them do speak English. Nice races, mostly short, although today was a bit of an exception.
Feb 18, 2018 2:20 PM # 
chitownclark:
Well put Charlie! Very diplomatic. I've found that Nordic folks (which includes Finns, Estonians, etc) are usually quite stoic, whether they speak English or not. It is a rare Swede who enjoys chatting and repartee with casual acquaintances as we Americans do. Where Americans will retire to a bar or restaurant to enjoy camaraderie and build friendships, many admirably frugal Europeans will buy a few staples and eat lightly in their rooms.

And I found that most other runners have no interest in discussing the course or route selections after the race, at least with me, because of my limited O skills. They will often discuss minutia that I didn't even notice. Usually the only topic of agreement was that the 'mapping was terrible.'
Feb 18, 2018 5:34 PM # 
Charlie:
Well, I think these folks are friendly enough, it’s more that many of them have known each other all their lives and so I am a bit of an outsider. Now that I’ve been to a few of these things, I know many of them and I don’t lack for companionship. I am also quite friendly with the organizers, although they are busy a good part of the time. My roommate this trip is a Swede who speaks very little English, but that doesn’t stop him fro trying. Very outgoing. He is quite an incredible athlete, many time WMOC medalist, and at 82, he runs a fair bit faster than I do. He is an eager compared of routes and split times.

And I haven’t heard anyone complain about the mapping, although many of us had the same trouble with the course overprinting on day 2, but I didn’t hear anything I would categorize as a complaint. So, culturally, I would sum my observations: they are friendly, polite, happy, do what they are told in terms of showing up on time, etc, and generally get along. Having the shared experience of orienteering is a good icebreaker, and probably 80% or more of them speak pretty good English. However, if they are not making an effort on my behalf, they are carrying on their conversations among themselves in Swedish or Norwegian. Swedes and Norwegians understand each other well.
Feb 19, 2018 7:20 PM # 
jjcote:
People from northern latitudes in general have a reputation for being laconic.
Feb 19, 2018 11:47 PM # 
peggyd:
I think I fit better as a Scandinavian than as an American. Retiring to a bar or restaurant with people I don't already know sounds like one of the circles of Hell to me.
Feb 20, 2018 3:56 AM # 
Charlie:
By that definition, perhaps I might be Scandinavian, too. But many of the verifiable Scandinavians here seem to gather cheerfully in the bar, so perhaps one can over-generalize. And the original laconic people were from what is now Greece.
Feb 20, 2018 7:55 AM # 
bubo:
Last nights dinner was truly cosmopolitan with orienteers from Sweden, Norway, Denmark and USA in an Irish pub in Spain/Catalunya. I'd say the biggest obstacle to communication wasn't the different national traits but rather the noisy surroundings.
Feb 20, 2018 11:39 PM # 
jjcote:
Nowadays, the laconic people are the ones in New Hampshire who have motorcyclists annually descend on their town.

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