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Discussion: Glad it worked out!

in: Cristina; Cristina > 2018-02-19

Feb 20, 2018 3:19 AM # 
Bash:
...for both racers and course setter. :)
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Feb 20, 2018 3:22 AM # 
Cristina:
Well, *I* certainly enjoyed myself and would love to organize more of these!
Feb 20, 2018 5:50 AM # 
bbrooke:
I loved it!
Feb 20, 2018 6:34 AM # 
Suzanne:
I like the format :)
Feb 20, 2018 1:59 PM # 
acjospe:
what is the format?
Feb 20, 2018 2:12 PM # 
Cristina:
BTW, Bash, thanks for the helps with the design (final version now linked in log). The handicapping worked well for the people I had in mind -- I knew Ethan would probably be our only 0 handicapper, and Mary Jo (his mom) would be there and could skip 5. Shooting for a 40min course. Ethan ran 41:05 and Mary Jo ran 40:48 or something, so complete success on that front. However, the race was won in a close finish by Kimball over Takashi (handicap 3) in just over 32 minutes! I guess it was maybe a bit too easy to get 4 controls, even if the M60s were also relatively the strongest runners at the event (they are fast!).
Feb 20, 2018 2:13 PM # 
Cristina:
Alex, it's a mass start with a (or several) section(s) ("boxes") where you can get the controls in any order and you can skip a number of controls based on your age/gender handicap. If all goes well then a strong runner of any age group can win.

I kept it simple by starting with a single box of 7 controls (highest handicap is 6) and finishing with a single section of mandatory controls. Only the M19-39 needed to get all 7. I distributed the maps about 10 minutes before the start and explained how it all worked, so people had a chance to look at their options and talk to other people. It was really cool to see people who don't normally race against each other go head-to-head, and also great to have so many people finishing close together. And I have so many ideas for setting more and better courses now!
Feb 20, 2018 2:58 PM # 
Bash:
Sounds like you planned it perfectly! The handicap system is more fun than scientific so when you have people who are particularly strong for their age/gender, they can skew the results. My first THOMASS race course was won by a landslide by a shy 14-year-old from out of town named Emily Kemp. I think it was 10 minutes before anyone else showed up, then I got the mass finish I’d been aiming for.

It’s a format that works well when people aren’t taking the results too seriously. We have a best 4 of 6 race series over the winter months that tends to even things out. Some courses favour/penalize particular handicaps in spite of the designers’ best efforts.
Feb 20, 2018 11:23 PM # 
peggyd:
Cristina, that is the same format as QOC's Bumble. I think David Onkst has set it for five years now. It is a blast, though it often favors us older orienteers (who are decent orienteers). Tom Nolan, M60, and I won this year, and I was first overall, not the first time that has happened.
It is a blast, highly recommend it!
Feb 20, 2018 11:36 PM # 
Cristina:
Ok, so QOC has a Bumble so Tucson can have a ... (taking name suggestions).
Feb 21, 2018 12:36 AM # 
peggyd:
Tumble
Feb 21, 2018 12:51 AM # 
peggyd:
Okay, now I've looked at the map, and it's not quite the same as the Bumble. There are multiple boxes, you have to do all the controls in a box, but the number of boxes you have to do is dependent on your age/gender. At this year's Bumble, for example, the Beige (women's Brown) had to do just one box, plus the mandatory controls. This year, just two mandatory controls, and another twist was that you could go to the boxes in any order you wanted.
Whatever, all the formats are fun!
Feb 21, 2018 4:20 AM # 
Bash:
"Tumble" is good. And it differentiates it from the very different Bumble format.
Feb 21, 2018 4:33 AM # 
bbrooke:
Cholla Chaser
Feb 21, 2018 4:44 AM # 
Cristina:
Oooh, I like Cholla Chaser. Very appropriate in multiple ways.
Feb 21, 2018 2:42 PM # 
Bash:
That name *must* be used for a race.
Feb 21, 2018 9:44 PM # 
Pink Socks:
Brooke wins.
Feb 21, 2018 11:30 PM # 
JanetT:
I agree! Great name.
Feb 22, 2018 3:37 AM # 
bbrooke:
Anyone who doesn't end up like this will be a winner!

Feb 22, 2018 4:16 AM # 
Bash:
Aieee, that was my mountain biking nightmare!
Feb 22, 2018 5:23 PM # 
Pink Socks:
"So, yeah, I meant to use my wish to cuddle with a bunch of, you know, these things, but I didn't quite say it right, and well, the Genie gave me this."

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