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Discussion: did you want to hide that gps

in: Mr Wonderful; Mr Wonderful > 2018-05-15

May 16, 2018 12:17 AM # 
igor_:
did you want to hide that gps
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May 16, 2018 12:18 AM # 
Mr Wonderful:
You're too fast! It's been exposed for almost 90 seconds!
May 16, 2018 12:18 AM # 
igor_:
nice
May 16, 2018 5:46 PM # 
MIclimber:
Doesn't sound like an embargo yet?
May 16, 2018 11:11 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
I don't think any midwest rogaines, with the exception of Lost Arrow, request or enforce embargo - if I'm wrong, please correct me! Plus, it's night time, there is a limited advantage to training during the day I think. Also, you have to study 3700 acres, that's a lot to memorize.
May 16, 2018 11:24 PM # 
KFish:
I think there’s enough streamer tape in all of the woods that even going searching for it wouldn’t gain you anything.
May 16, 2018 11:31 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Embargo or not, my money's still on the peeps 4.5 hours away!
May 17, 2018 4:39 PM # 
MIclimber:
I of course was jesting. But someone willing to go out and find fresh tape, might also be willing to put the coordinates into their watches ahead of time! I don't think there's a cash prize, so also probably mostly hypothetical in my mind. Not hypothetical, I am getting good at pan/zooming my watch on the run. :)
May 17, 2018 4:46 PM # 
MIclimber:
And to clarify, I base this off of the recent incidents with folks who have cheated at tri's and mararthons, for both prizes and qualifying for higher events or just for bragging rights to their friends. There's a guy running website dedicated to this, where he pours over stats, historical race data, and pictures to determine people that either cut the courses or had help somehow. It's amazing what certain people are willing to do, just to be in limelight.
May 17, 2018 5:05 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/ ?

That Derek guy is awesome!

Interesting question: If you are the type to comb a park for tape, are you also the type to listen to an embargo request?

Infiterra never embargoed, sometimes I would go the park in the lead up. I found the most useful bit was understanding the start/finish, as they can have quirky / unmapped entrance/exit options. The rest of the course was generally more easily understood, I thought.

Nice thing about PLRA is the number of opportunities to not see the flag from within GPS error (depression next to depression). Granted, you won't have to go a half mile to relocate if you are sure you are close.

It's interesting overall - I intend to do an orienteering meet John Henry memorial challenge where I explicitly allow GPS, and I'm sure Voit will still beat the GPS user given the conditions I'll use (map on clock). But it is entirely possible in any rogaine pre planning setup to capture the map, align to coords, program your route from your traveling salesperson's optimization, and I'll never know.
May 17, 2018 8:03 PM # 
MIclimber:
Good point. Maybe not, but at least you make it known. Sorta the same reason we have laws, but that quickly divulges into a likely 2nd amendment discussion.

Oh I'm sure Voit would still beat me, even if I had a GPS advantage. Even if you know where you are going, you're still limited by your own speed. The question is could Voit against himself do better via GPS? Perhaps with GPS training?

I'm keen to help you test your theories though if you want. Yes would depend on the pre-race planning circumstances. You could also test it via what I did for my evil Cherry Hill version, just give bearing and distance.
May 17, 2018 11:07 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
I think the big problem is I should have done it a couple years back - now apps make it too easy. The biggest thing is I need someone to not have the map ahead of time, so they can't already had a livelox setup, just add the course in 30 seconds, and let it rip. If they have to scan and align the map, I think that adds the crucial minutes.

Also, I think you make it a route choice course - now you are too smart to fall for the traps, but maybe some bold fast runner isn't, so you have the straight line have: hills, uncrossable swamps, and thick green. The orienteer will spot the better route and rip that instead.
May 31, 2018 10:09 AM # 
Bash:
Hi, I apparently missed this and I can’t resist good rogaine talk.

1) The International Rogaine Federation has a rule against the use of planning software - for what that’s worth.

2) There is an annual rogaine in Nova Scotia, E2C, that has a GPS category. When I did it, the GPS users were nowhere near the top teams in the non-GPS category.

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