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Discussion: yeah this is nuts

in: Mr Wonderful; Mr Wonderful > 2018-06-04

Jun 4, 2018 4:22 PM # 
igor_:
yeah this is nuts
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Jun 4, 2018 5:20 PM # 
Work4justice:
Me too...OUSA and AP

COME ON
Jun 4, 2018 5:21 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
F5
F5
F5
F5
Jun 4, 2018 5:34 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Last year's announcement was around 8 am on the due date (last race 4/30, announcement 5/7). The delay is figuratively killing me.
Jun 4, 2018 8:11 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
I know they are volunteers but RELEASE ME FROM THIS SUSPENSE
Jun 5, 2018 2:27 AM # 
Mr Wonderful:
That was unpleasant.
Jun 5, 2018 2:42 AM # 
Work4justice:
What happened? I know I’m not good at math...but what?
Jun 5, 2018 4:11 AM # 
Bash:
Who’s the person you’re cheering for?
Jun 5, 2018 10:22 AM # 
Work4justice:
Sydney Fisher.
Jun 5, 2018 10:37 AM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Sydney Fisher, 3rd in overall points. Runs Red as fast or faster than Tyra runs Green (they haven’t often been head to head) on more than one occassion. Is ten points higher than Tyra on OUSA ranking points on Red. On one of the two races the Review Panel used to say Tyra is better than Sydney...Tyra was beat by six minutes by Pavlina, who didn’t MP or DNF at the forest portion of the Trials. RP didn’t address Petition Amanda versus Pavlina.

Had Ali still been on hiatus (I didn’t know she was coming back), Sydney would have been an auto entry on points, instead she’s passed by three people, two of whom didn’t show and one of whom didn’t beat her at the trials. You can say that Tyra was running faster prior to the MP. You can also say that MP in the promotion/relegation era is not something to casually overlook.

So a random for-her-a training race that Sydney didn’t know was the True Team Trials costs her a spot.

60% of the women’s team did not get on the team by virtue of their Team Trials performance - why bother with the races? Have a resume submission party and let everyone save their airfare for WOC.
Jun 5, 2018 11:19 AM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Sources cited:

Team Trials Final Scoring

OUSA Red Rankings SF: 79, TC: 68. (Ali C didn't race enough, nor did Julia or Amanda (latter two due to F18/20 not being Red I think).

(AP rankings, for reference, 59.3 to 58.2 in favor of Sydney, at time of checking)

Tyra beats Sydney by 8 minutes, but loses to Pavlina by 6 minutes This is Sydney's first day (to my knowledge) in this type of terrain. Let's see if Sydney learns anything....

Sydney loses by more like 2:30 on Day 2

Troll Cup Paces: Day 2, Tyra 11:48/km, Syd 11:55/km, although race is like 1.2 km longer, not too shabby, Syd.

Troll Cup Paces: Day 1, Amanda 10:24/km, Tyra 11:15/km. Sydney, 11:09/km. Red was 1.5 km longer!

Letchworth Classic (fall 2017), Day 2, Tyra 11:05/km for 5 km Sydney 10:50/km for 7 km

Letchworth Day 1, Tyra 13:27/km for 6 km, Sydney 13:47/km for 8 km

I mean absolutely no ill will towards Tyra. She is the rationale cited by the Review Panel, and Tyra and Evalin's relative woods pace to Sydney was a big argument towards, "They went in 2017, and you've run as fast or faster, go beat them at the Trials!!" I expected that Julia's sprint petition would be accepted, so the frantic refreshing was to see if our rationale for Sydney's excellence would match the RP and keep her in or not for the forest.
Jun 5, 2018 12:24 PM # 
Bash:
Thanks for explaining!
Jun 5, 2018 3:23 PM # 
KFish:
It appears to have come down to the race preference. Syd prefers forest races, and Tyra and Julie prefer (and petitioned for) sprints. With Tori and Ali taking 1st and 2nd at TT they were given slots in the forest relay, and Long and Middle respectively. So Syd was basically fighting for the last forest relay spot.

Knowing Syd (I happen to), this will only provide more motivation for her to continue and up her training for next year. #Norway2019

Disclaimer: Views expressed are my own!

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