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Discussion: orienteering course which crosses country boundary

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Aug 19, 2018 11:25 AM # 
miklcct:
I have found out that Latvia held an orienteering event where the athletes might run into Estonia last year, Latvian Orienteering Championship 2017, long distance.

The information said, "in the north – Latvia-Estonia border is located." In the course M21E, the straight line from point 6 to 7 cut through Estonia territory, although the points themselves were in Latvia.

The GPS tracking showed the vast majority ran on the border, while the more adventurous ones actually ran into Estonia to save some distance:

http://www.tulospalvelu.fi/gps/2017latLongM/

Are there more examples of such events where athletes run between sovereign countries?
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Aug 19, 2018 12:16 PM # 
Lizzie:
WOC long distance 2016. Technically not in 2 countries, but #4 was intentionally right on the Sweden-Norway border, so then it depends on runners route-choices ;)

http://news.worldofo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/0...
Aug 19, 2018 12:17 PM # 
TheInvisibleLog:
I have vague memories of reading about an O-tour that held an event across the borders of two or three scandi nations.
Aug 19, 2018 12:24 PM # 
tRicky:
I once rode in a MTBO event that bordered on insanity.

I notice in the Latvia map that the trees that escaped into Estonia all scattered when they got there.
Aug 19, 2018 12:48 PM # 
Eriol:
TheInvisibleLog: Yes, there was an event held on a small map at the triplepoint between Norway, Finland and Sweden:

http://www.sorreisa-olag.no/wp-content/uploads/201...
Aug 19, 2018 1:03 PM # 
Rhombus:
I can't remember if one of the races did but definitely one of the model maps at JWOC 2013 in Czechia was on the border with Poland
Aug 19, 2018 3:19 PM # 
j-man:
The Long at WOC 2009 was on the border of Hungary and Slovakia. While the event center was on the Hungarian side, I think it might have been possible to cross into Slovakia while running.
Aug 19, 2018 3:20 PM # 
Tundra/Desert:
Rogainers do it all the time. My wishes for Afghan/Tajik version have been unanswered. They offered U.S./Mx instead but that's beyond my budget for countermeasures.
Aug 19, 2018 6:13 PM # 
Steffen:
@J-man I think the WOC stayed on the hungarian side but the public race crossed the border
http://doma.leberkaesbriegel.de/show_map.php?user=...
In 2012 there was a race running through Switzerland Germany and France
http://doma.leberkaesbriegel.de/show_map.php?user=...
We also had multiple races that crossed the German/Czech border
http://doma.leberkaesbriegel.de/show_map.php?user=...
http://doma.leberkaesbriegel.de/show_map.php?user=...
I think there was also one Ostsee-OL were they crossed the border between Germany and Poland but I didn´t run that race. Schengen-Contract makes things like that easier.
Aug 19, 2018 10:02 PM # 
bgr:
There was a tour event at the three corners area. As I recall we crossed borders 6 or 7 times on the course.
Aug 19, 2018 11:25 PM # 
Spike:
I don't know if it still happens, but there has been a point-to-point relay (6 or 7 legs?) that started not so far from Ed in Sweden and finished in Halden in Norway.

I got to run the border crossing leg (1986, I think). The end of the map in Sweden was a bridge that crossed into Norway. Then you flipped your map over and there was another bit of map in Norway to get to the exchange.

I think the race was called "grensekuriren." I'm not certain of the name, or the spelling.
Aug 19, 2018 11:40 PM # 
gordhun:
Not really an orienteering race but it was an event that deserves a place in orienteering lore. Back in the 1980s there were two World Cup events happening in North America, one in Alberta, Canada one in Washington State USA.
There was a certain Swedish orienteering promoter, a visionary for sure, who wanted to make sure there was representation from the Baltic republics of the USSR and I believe Russia itself.
There was not much problem getting visas for the athletes to visit Canada but the USA was difficult, impossible really. So to cut the red tape after the Alberta World Cup event was over the eastern bloc orienteers were driven to southern Alberta, given topographic maps and told to orienteer their way in to the USA and they would be picked up at a point on the other side. Canada and the USA have the world's longest undefended border so getting across the border was probably not much of a problem. Navigating on our topo maps can be a challenge.
I guess it was more of a rogaine than an orienteering event but all went well. The USA did not collapse under the weight of the invasion and I think that is how it happened.
Aug 20, 2018 9:02 AM # 
Terje Mathisen:
@Spike: You are absolutely correct about Gränskuriren/Grensekureren, but your 1986 event was a one-year only rerun since the original relay stopped sometime in the seventies when it became obvious that you could not have an un-forked orienteering relay.

It alternated direction Ed->Halden, Halden->Ed and it was the last pure running O relay I took part in afair.

Porsgrunn O-Lag had a good but very young team around 1974, going towards Halden, where I ran the leg just before the border crossing. I was quite young and had severe problems hanging onto the ~30 teams that were in the leading group. I was dead last except the two times when I noticed that the guy just in front of me was dropping behind the tail, so I had to pass him and catch back up. I was saved by the two controls where the leaders missed and I managed to catch up and find the flag first, then they would start to pass me again.

My two year younger brother Knut took over and crossed into Norway and by the time the best runner in the club was out on the last leg we looked to be in excellent position to win, but he tried to outrun the rest of them in the forest instead of waiting for the finish sprint, missed a control and came in as #8 or so.
Aug 20, 2018 9:06 AM # 
Terje Mathisen:
BTW, Morokulien 2-days is a yearly event taking place around the Norway/Sweden border crossing near Magnor, it is about 2 hours east of Oslo. The courses here will often cross the border line.

http://eventor.orientering.no/Events/Show/9732
Aug 20, 2018 3:45 PM # 
jSh:
There's a map on the Swiss-German border called "St. Chrischona" (partially visible at http://www.doma.leberkaesbriegel.de/show_map.php?u... ) - I remember participants at an event that used that map where told to "take a random start-number from this box and pin it to your dress", to prove that you were part of the event so that border control guys would possibly let you go...
Aug 20, 2018 8:28 PM # 
mikeminium:
I've often thought that the International Peace Garden between North Dakota USA and Manitoba Canada would be a superb place for a sprint. And there's a large provincial park bordering it to the north, but I haven't really looked at the suitability of the terrain in the larger park for longer forest events.



Aug 20, 2018 10:36 PM # 
blairtrewin:
I can recall at least two other 1990s World Cup series (both in eastern Europe) where participants have put their forest navigation skills to good use to get into countries without a visa. The Schengen agreement has reduced the need for such activities (at least within Europe).

Haven't ever done a cross-border course myself on purpose (although I did cross the German-Czech border by mistake on a map which bordered it on a JWOC 1991 training camp), but I cross into France on training runs on a fairly regular basis when in Geneva.

The 1991 JWOC long distance in Berlin crossed the former West Germany-East Germany border twice (one of them in the finish chute). In case you're wondering, the former map (of the western side only) showed the Berlin Wall as two uncrossable fences with out-of-bounds beyond.

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