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Discussion: Less meds

in: Soupbone; Soupbone > 2018-10-27

Oct 27, 2018 6:35 PM # 
chitownclark:
No question: taking every pill you doctors prescribe because they fear malpractice suits, will cause a lower-quality of life. I think as you age, you have to do your own research. On-line forums are good sources to find out what others in your position are doing, and to cut through the BS from the US' for-profit medical system.

What do you take for A-fib? My docs want me on all kinds of drugs, mostly because I'm simply 'over 75.' But after years of athletic events, I think my heart has got to be stronger than most. So I decline their monthly blood tests and EKGs, twice a day Eliquis tablets, and special diets. For me, I'm on a mission to MAXIMIZE my QUALITY of Life, even tho it might cut into the QUANTITY of my life.

Congrats on First Place today with that recent PR. If you were running in my race up in Lake Bluff, you'd have come in a few pegs lower. :-)
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Oct 28, 2018 3:10 AM # 
Soupbone:
Yep that’s must be a CARA circuit race. No Joe S, so you must of hold on to 3rd.

It pretty common that most cholostrol lowering drugs can cause sore muscles. Well I’m a believer that this stuff has been a pain in my hips etc. I’m gonna call my DR Monday and see what else he can give me. I might also go diet and more exercise since I won’t be sore, lowering the quality of my workouts.

I don’t take anything for Afib unless I’m in it which seems to be once every three weeks.
Oct 29, 2018 8:49 PM # 
matzah ball:
got some kind of txt from you, but hard to read on my old fliphone...but I'll take Chis word for it - you scored the skull! Way to go!
Oct 29, 2018 10:22 PM # 
chitownclark:
Flip phone? FLIP PHONE? You have my nomination for the biggest Luddite i know!

it's the second Industrial Revolution...and you're running around smashing those water-powered looms...and bringing in old crones and their spinning wheels!
Oct 30, 2018 2:20 PM # 
Soupbone:
Woaa Chi town, my Dad has one :-)
Oct 30, 2018 11:00 PM # 
walk:
My wife has one, but never uses it.
Nov 1, 2018 12:17 AM # 
TomN:
Regarding statins,the water-soluble ones (like pravastatin) are thought to be less likely to cause muscle pain than the fat-soluble ones (atorvastatin, simvastatin). In any event, when you are taking statins, your doctor is supposed to take monthly blood tests for the enzyme that is associated with the muscle cell breakdown, to detect that exact problem.

And Chitown, I take my Eliquis twice a day, just like my doctor prescribed. It has nothing to do with how strong your heart is. What it has to do with is preventing the one deadly side effect of A-Fib: blood clots. You don't want to mess with those. My experience, with before-and-after trials, is that the blood thinner is at worst a break-even, and may actually improve performance because the blood circulates better through the muscle capillaries.
Nov 1, 2018 11:35 AM # 
chitownclark:
Thanks Tom. Interesting to know. I'm sure I'll begin some form of blood thinner soon, to replace the baby aspirin I've been taking since I was in my 60's.

But my rejection of my doc's recommendations was because, after an extensive battery of tests and scans....he admitted he only Rx'd the medications because I was over 75....and old people NEED to be on SOMETHING. But most of my cohorts were sedentary; I tried to exercise every day. For instance, few other 75+ yr olds WALK their 18 holes I've observed.

I'm more convinced by findings like this:

...the sweet spot for exercise benefits came among those who tripled the recommended level of exercise, working out moderately, mostly by walking, for 450 minutes per week, or a little more than an hour per day. Those people were 39 percent less likely to die prematurely than people who never exercised....

BTW, nice job at the Stumble last week!
Nov 1, 2018 11:42 PM # 
Soupbone:
Tom you have Afib too? Do you get it during running events or other times?
I’m not on a blood thinner, and I am a pill in the pocket type. Has messed me up in some big events over the last bunch of years.
Nov 2, 2018 1:37 PM # 
TomN:
I had a single episode of afib 2 months ago. It came on in the middle of the night and lasted a couple of days. I see a cardiologist regularly because I also have mitral valve prolapse. He started the blood thinner right away while the afib was ongoing, and he's keeping me on it even though the afib hasn't recurred. He thinks the risk of a blood clot is a big deal, and says we can talk about discontinuing the blood thinner if I go a year without another episode.

But like I said, I don't have an issue with Eliquis, except that it costs about $1000 a year. It hasn't had any side effects, and I don't think it's affecting performance.
Nov 2, 2018 2:36 PM # 
Soupbone:
I just started my new cholostrol med called Crestor, and my DR tells me he went on it for the same reason.
So far pain free.
Nov 2, 2018 3:12 PM # 
TomN:
Good luck. Say goodbye to grapefruit.
Nov 2, 2018 4:48 PM # 
chitownclark:
No grapefruit? Soupbone and Ms Soupbone LOVE grapefruit...especially the juice, with gin and salt in a tall glass, sitting on the back porch in the afternoon sun, overlooking Spike Woods.
Nov 2, 2018 5:19 PM # 
TomN:
Try tonic water. And a slice of lime.
Nov 3, 2018 1:51 PM # 
Soupbone:
Yep I have been off grapefruit for some time.
Nov 6, 2018 9:49 PM # 
coach:
So this is what I don't understand, if grapefruit is a NO No, is it because it has the same effects as the blood thinner? And if so, why not just eat more grapefruit,?
Judy and I have no drugs to take so far. BTW Clark, I believe recent studies have shown that the aspirin has no effect.
Nov 7, 2018 10:55 PM # 
Soupbone:
I really don’t know the answer to that, but they always say that. Why not orange juice too?
I still sneak some grapefruit in at times.
Nov 9, 2018 7:26 PM # 
BP:
Grapefruit irreversibly inhibits gut Cyp 3A4, a major elimination (enzymatic) pathway for some drugs. Consequently more drug is seen by the blood stream thereby potentially impacting safety. So not recommended.
Nov 9, 2018 8:17 PM # 
chitownclark:
Interesting. Thanks for the explanation. Does OJ or lemonade affect Cyp 3A4 activity?
Nov 9, 2018 10:21 PM # 
BP:
Not to our knowledge - no.
Nov 10, 2018 2:37 AM # 
Soupbone:
It’s been about 9-10 days of that new statin Crestor and I believe that I have way less body pain than on the other stuff. Not %100 free, but managable pain, not extreme joint pain. So experiment doing ok so far.

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