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Discussion: Full Goat Map

in: Harriman Orienteering Festival (Oct 28, 2018 - Stony Point, NY, US)

Oct 29, 2018 3:25 PM # 
Can someone post a copy of the Full Goat?
Oct 29, 2018 3:41 PM # 
I guess it would be illegal to make a public post of a map unless you are its owner.

Arrest, jail, probably doing time.
Oct 29, 2018 3:43 PM # 
I'll see if I can get a Routegadget up. Until then, here are the jpegs for the Full, Mini, and Baby

Thank you for your concern though, Yurets.

Personally I prefer the idea of democratization of orienteering maps. ¡Viva la resistencia!
Oct 29, 2018 6:36 PM # 
Well, considering the ownership of the Rockhouse map, I'd say you're in the clear anyway. :-)
Oct 29, 2018 7:04 PM # 
+1 jjcote
Oct 29, 2018 8:48 PM # 
Are there results anywhere? I’m sure I’m just being thick but I can’t find them
Oct 29, 2018 9:00 PM # 
Nope, hopefully we'll get them up by the end of today.
Oct 29, 2018 10:13 PM # 
Why is everyone in such a rush? I will have them by early tomorrow. I was out today getting last of the controls (at a stately M80 pace)
Oct 30, 2018 12:31 AM # 
Splits are here

Other stuff later.
Oct 30, 2018 12:42 AM # 
I see you conveniently erased my result. 80 years you say?
for the record it was in the vicinity of 1:53:17
Oct 30, 2018 12:43 AM # 
On Mini Goat everyone apparently missed control 121 - because it wasn't there - I forgot to take it out of the computer after Greg deleted it from the course.
Oct 30, 2018 12:47 AM # 
Joe - you didn't download in the red computer box. If you want to come round tomorrow I am still accepting downloads - with a late fee.
Oct 30, 2018 12:48 AM # 
I recall downloading to both boxes. splits in hand. I think the computer operator was DUI
Oct 30, 2018 1:19 AM # 
Bernie Breton is also missing; we finished together. I have no idea if he downloaded...
Oct 30, 2018 1:46 AM # 
Bernie's I have found - your stick number was wrong in your registration. I will correct tomorrow. Joe - what stick number did you use? Oh - and for that vile insinuation the download fee now includes a bottle of single malt.
Oct 30, 2018 2:32 AM # 
monkey shoulder? it's a blend. talisker 10yr is my new fave. SI 8012862
Oct 30, 2018 7:15 AM # 
Did most people skip 4 and Winsplits somehow allocates the time for 3-5 across both legs, hence the grey?

Looks like a cool race.
Oct 30, 2018 10:46 AM # 
Courtney Cutler is listed as an mp, but she was with me the entire time. She was originally registered for the mini but ran the Fall Goat.

Thanks much, we had a lot of fun!
Oct 30, 2018 12:15 PM # 
Courtney appears to have missed 4 & 6 whereas you just skipped 6.
Oct 30, 2018 12:58 PM # 
I took my results not being there as a final slap in the face to the Hudson Highlanders fab 4. ;-)
Oct 30, 2018 1:22 PM # 
By far the most popular skip was 5 (31) followed by 6 (13). 8 & 18 both had 6 skips.
3 people did not skip at all!
Oct 30, 2018 1:34 PM # 
I don't think AJ Riley is listed in the results, either. He would have been around 6th in the fall goat.
Oct 30, 2018 1:57 PM # 
My mom, Dagmar Merkova, also isn't in the results, and I know she finished and I saw her download
Oct 30, 2018 2:05 PM # 
Hmmm. Maybe her punch didn't register? There were a hoard of us coming through. She was definitely at 4. She was with the group that skipped 6.

In retrospect, I think the skip on 18 and then taking 19a may have been the best option. Wish I'd seen that, but I decided before I'd really analyzed the entire course.
Oct 30, 2018 7:00 PM # 
Neither AJ or Dagmar are shown as having downloaded. I have one unnamed stick on the fall goat, 2013587 with a time of just on 2 hours - any offers?

Because we had to manually change each download to deal with the skipped control it is possible that some downloads did not register while we were doing the changes. most of the time we caught it and asked for another download. Apologies if we missed some. In mitigation, this was the first time that Cheng-hua or myself had used OE for a goat event.

What about skipping 1 and doing the road run to 2. Stephen T did this and had a respectable 10.25 (16th) to control 2.
Oct 30, 2018 11:42 PM # 
AJ was 5th but he did only download once..;( I am not sure if this can be fixed. His time was 87 min
Oct 31, 2018 1:00 AM # 
Trying to download the splits printer (with Valerie's help)
Oct 31, 2018 1:12 AM # 
need more Monkey Shoulder
Oct 31, 2018 2:06 AM # 
If the splits get uploaded to Attackpoint, I think AJ should be able to add his splits himself (like we used to do back in the days when we were all just running with Casio watches).
Oct 31, 2018 11:54 AM # 
If your splits are missing on Winsplits, take a picture of your printout and email it to me.
Oct 31, 2018 10:10 PM # 
The map looks interesting. Lots of green. I like to see swamps and mountains having their names printed on top, so one can always ask for directions "Which way is it to Nut House Mtn?"
Oct 31, 2018 11:07 PM # 
Most people would figure you know the way by heart, Yuri.
Oct 31, 2018 11:25 PM # 
No need to send the splits, unless you aren't AJ, Joe, Dagmar, or Nellie. Those were the people recovered from the printer box who weren't in results computer. Thank you, Geof.

Splits posted to AP. RG tomorrow...some fiddling required for that to work correctly.
Nov 1, 2018 1:29 AM # 
Thanks Valerie - what would we do without you. I will update Winsplits tomorrow.
Nov 2, 2018 3:57 AM # 
Any updates on a RouteGadget?
Nov 2, 2018 11:23 AM # 
Nov 2, 2018 11:42 AM # 
For RG to work, without truncating at the first control you skipped, and designating you DNF, I had to make a custom course for each skip/fork combination. Luckily, lots of you skipped the same one...

Here is the breakdown:
Fall Goat 1a 1 Stephen Tarry UNO 2:56:33
Fall Goat 3a 1 Mitch Collinsworth ROC 3:13:47
Fall Goat 4 & 5b 1 Phil Bricker NEOC 2:32:27 (dnf)
Fall Goat 5a 1 Robert Graham OOC 1:24:21
Fall Goat 5a 2 William Hawkins WCOC 1:24:45
Fall Goat 5a 3 Peter Zakrevski HVO 1:25:17
Fall Goat 5a 4 Anthony Riley DVOA 1:27:01
Fall Goat 5a 5 Patrick Denzler DVOA 1:31:15
Fall Goat 5a 6 Boris Granovskiy QOC 1:34:18
Fall Goat 5a 7 Keegan Harkavy 1:34:19
Fall Goat 5a 8 Wyatt Riley DVOA 1:46:02
Fall Goat 5a 9 Matthew Brooks USMAOC 1:59:37
Fall Goat 5a 10 Kevin Wolgast USMAOC 2:00:07
Fall Goat 5a 11 Riley Eck USMAOC 2:00:10
Fall Goat 5a 12 Unnamed West Point Cadet USMAOC 2:00:14
Fall Goat 5a 13 James Richie USMAOC 2:00:15
Fall Goat 5a 14 Linda Lonneberg DVOA 2:00:20
Fall Goat 5a 15 James O'Brien USMAOC 2:03:34
Fall Goat 5a 16 Andis Vitolins HVO 2:08:29
Fall Goat 5a 17 Danny Riley USMAOC 2:13:58
Fall Goat 5a 18 Spencer Myers USMAOC 2:17:01
Fall Goat 5a 19 David Oxenstierna HVO 2:23:33
Fall Goat 5b 1 Tero Heikkila Finland 1:26:20
Fall Goat 5b 2 Janne Salmi Finland 1:27:12
Fall Goat 5b 3 Joshua Sanchez QOC 1:51:05
Fall Goat 5b 4 Jonathan Campbell NEOC 1:56:30
Fall Goat 5b 5 Samuel Jones USMAOC 2:26:37
Fall Goat 5b 6 Justin Augustine USMAOC 2:26:40
Fall Goat 5b 7 Zach Kuder QOC 2:35:44
Fall Goat 5b 8 Samuel Haseman USMAOC 2:36:03
Fall Goat 5b 9 Victor Frolenko DVOA 2:41:41
Fall Goat 5b 10 Mykola Hrynyshyn 2:46:30
Fall Goat 5b 11 Fyodor Konkov BAOC 3:34:11
Fall Goat 5b 12 Paul Bisset WCOC 3:57:47
Fall Goat 5b Eric Smith CNYO dnf
Fall Goat 6a 1 Victoria Campbell NEOC 2:38:47
Fall Goat 6a 2 Corinne Mayland DVOA 2:38:51
Fall Goat 6a 3 Courtney Cutler COC 2:41:32
Fall Goat 6a 4 Jesson Penaflor USMAOC 2:56:33
Fall Goat 6a 5 Alexis Merka QOC 3:30:41
Fall Goat 6a 6 Dagmar Merkova QOC 3:41:28
Fall Goat 6b 1 Vitali Tulchinski Ramblers 2:05:42
Fall Goat 6b 2 Patrick Shannon DVOA 2:09:07
Fall Goat 6b 3 Branton Fletcher USMAOC 3:05:25
Fall Goat 6b 4 Denis Rozhkov HVO 3:30:06
Fall Goat 6b 5 Sam Levitin NEOC 3:43:02
Fall Goat 6b 6 James Sayles USMAOC 3:51:07
Fall Goat 6b 7 Zachary Aloma USMAOC 3:51:08
Fall Goat 6b 8 Whitney Gunderman USMAOC 3:54:00
Fall Goat 6b 9 Arelena Shala USMAOC 3:54:03
Fall Goat 8a 1 Peggy Dickison OK 2:36:58
Fall Goat 8a 2 Bernie Breton HVO 2:36:59
Fall Goat 8a 3 Aleck Breton HVO 2:45:25
Fall Goat 8a 4 Quinton Marmo USMAOC 3:12:57
Fall Goat 8a Judith Dickinson HVO dnf
Fall Goat 8b 1 Jeremy Colgan HVO 2:12:46
Fall Goat 8b 2 Chris Obara HVO 2:54:01
Fall Goat 10 1 Elijah Parrott USMAOC 3:19:48
Fall Goat 10 2 Charles Marashlian USMAOC 3:19:49
Fall Goat 10 3 Abigail Yeager USMAOC 3:19:56
Fall Goat 14b Evan Raz OOC dnf
Fall Goat 15 1 J-J Cote LROC 2:17:11
Fall Goat 15 2 Daniel Schaublin HVO 2:17:18
Fall Goat 15 1 Karl Ahlswede DVOA 2:22:14
Fall Goat 18 1 Joe Brautigam WCOC 1:53:30
Fall Goat 18 2 Stefan Slutsky HVO 2:07:13
Fall Goat 18 3 Pavlina Brautigam WCOC 2:12:49
Fall Goat 18 4 Jeffrey Saeger NEOC 2:12:51
Fall Goat 18 5 Charlie Fredrikson USMAOC 2:17:33
Fall Goat 18 6 Joseph Heindrichs USMAOC 2:17:36
Fall Goat 18 7 David Ro USMAOC 3:06:04
Fall Goat 19 1 Nadim Ahmed QOC 2:22:13
Fall Goat 19 2 David Hulme HVO 2:22:23
Fall Goat 20 1 Nathan Collinsworth ROC 2:00:05
Fall Goat 20 2 Armando Melendez USMAOC 2:21:01
Fall Goat 20 3 Josie Olson USMAOC 2:21:06
Fall Goat 20 4 Lukas Raz OOC 3:01:55
Mini All R 1 Svetlana Frolenko DVOA 2:31:33
Mini All R 2 Andrei Dolgov 2:44:52
Mini All R 3 Oriana Riley DVOA 3:03:11
Mini 1R 1 Stephen Richardson WCOC 1:35:48
Mini 1R 2 Linda Kohn ROC 2:01:22
Mini 1R 3 Charlie DeWeese WCOC 2:03:26
Mini 1R 4 John-Eric Nelson WCOC 2:57:52
Mini 1R 5 Eric Bressler LIOC 2:58:09
Mini 6R 1 Rolf Helander Finland 1:24:34
Mini 7R 1 Hannu Kosonen Finland 2:08:26
Mini 7R 2 Bob Bullions HVO 2:11:24
Mini 8R Anne Billman ARCTIC dnf
Mini 9L 1 Kristin Hall NEOC 1:20:55
Mini 9R 1 Jorma Nissila Finland 1:12:27
Mini 9R 2 Bridget Hall NEOC 1:20:48
Mini 11R 1 Sergiy Gnatiouk HVO 1:12:07
Mini 11R 2 Angelica Riley DVOA 1:25:49
Mini 11R 3 Iurii Shepelev HVO 1:26:15
Mini 11R 4 Kirsten Mayland DVOA 1:35:17
Mini 11R 5 David Webber HVO 1:44:17
Mini 11R 6 Julia Doubson BAOC 2:03:13

Nov 2, 2018 12:01 PM # 
For the Mini, everyone went Right, except for K. Hall...I assume this was planned with B. Hall to splits up. They came back together after the fork, and were together the rest of the way, until B outkicked K for the family title. :)
Nov 2, 2018 12:03 PM # 
Nope, not planned! Just happened :)
Nov 2, 2018 4:27 PM # 
Hey Peggy, looks like you beat me by 1 second despite me punching 1 second before you. I felt guilty at the time so this makes up for it!!
Nov 2, 2018 5:35 PM # 
Can always edit your time in AP splits to agree.
Nov 2, 2018 8:55 PM # 
LOL I think you earned at least one second by your better navigating!
Nov 4, 2018 12:12 AM # 
Left was better, I don't know what all those people were thinking! :-) That was early, too, before the glasses fogged, so I actually could see the map. Kept thinking someone would follow me, but no one did. Picked up a few places after waiting in a long line to punch number one.
Given our group route to 6, I think Rolf may have got the skip right (though 9 was pretty good).
Nov 4, 2018 11:36 AM # 
What a great looking course in great terrain and a wonderful way to celebrate the 25th anniversary of WOC’93. Reading peoples logs and thinking of my many fond memories of the one Hudson Highlander, half dozen or billygoats and several troll cups i’ve raced I can’t help but think that North America needs more mass start and chase start races. Will this festival be an annual event?
Nov 5, 2018 4:47 PM # 
I agree with the previous post, but only in part.
Indeed the map looks great, and I believe it is indeed great, because I know JJ is one of just a handful of people in America who understands the key role of field checking, and the huge difference between a computer-generated base map and the final product, the orienteering map.
Mass starts kill the key component of orienteering --- navigation done by the runner individually and independently. A strong cross-country runner with only basic navigation skills can do very well in such a race.
Nov 5, 2018 5:05 PM # 
Glad you enjoyed it, Yurets!
Nov 5, 2018 6:31 PM # 
Thank you, Yuri, although I have no idea why my name was mentioned in your comment.

Mass start orienteering races are a thing in themselves, and I'm one of many who enjoy them. They lie somewhere between running races and regular orienteering, and the fact that a good runner can do well in them is fine. They shouldn't crowd out regular orienteering, but I don't think there's any danger of that happening.

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