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Discussion: Suunto app vs Movescount

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Jan 17, 2019 1:38 AM # 
igor_:
Has anybody tried the new Suunto App, is it okay to switch from Movescount? Any tracks download problems?

I usually export GPX and upload it to AP, would that still work?
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Jan 18, 2019 2:12 AM # 
markg:
I can't address all those points but I have been using the Movescount app with my Ambit3S and tried Suunto App yesterday. I had no problem s getting started and it synced all the activities still on my watch and a new one I recorded. However, I decided I preferred to keep all the features of my watch working and go back to Movescount but now I can't synch with it ... Hopefully it's just a temporary glitch and I'll get connected again soon but be warned!
Jan 18, 2019 3:52 AM # 
fossil:
argh... what watch features stopped working if I might ask?
Jan 18, 2019 6:05 AM # 
markg:
It's not that the watch itself stopped working once synched to the Suunto App but that Suunto App doesn't have the ability to modify the watch screens of an Ambit3 or create structured workouts (for any watch, I think) like the Movescount app does. There are various other functional gaps, some that I observed are: it doesn't show running performance or performance difference and it doesn't show lap times from workouts. I gather from forums that the route planning is not very useful. There also isn't a web version. Ambit 2 isn't supported at all.

It will be interesting to see how far they develop Suunto App before Movescount is decommissioned next northern spring ... I haven't seen any sort of feature roadmap for that time.
Jan 18, 2019 10:27 PM # 
igor_:
Thank you, looks like it makes sense to wait a bit longer before switching.
Jan 19, 2019 12:48 AM # 
fossil:
yeah, at least until the next email when they tell us how to provide feedback directly.
Mar 30, 2019 4:16 PM # 
ken:
It looks like the place to provide feedback is the Suunto app forum.


Attackpoint now supports automatic sync of new training from Suunto app.

If you are not ready to switch from Movescount, you can still take advantage of this, because there is also automatic sync from Movescount to Suunto app:

1. Create a Suunto app account if you don't have one. It is not the same as your MC account. (I think you have to do this via the Suunto app after downloading on your smartphone)

2. Login to Movescount.com. From the top menu, look for [user icon] > Settings > Other Sport Services. Connect with "Sports Tracker", using your Suunto app credentials. (The backstory is that Sports Tracker was acquired and turned into Suunto app)

3. Authorize AP to sync from Suunto app, here.
Mar 31, 2019 6:50 PM # 
ken:
If you ran into a dead-end blank white page when trying to Authorize AP, this should be fixed now, sorry about that.

There is also an option to choose whether new activities are imported automatically or not.
Apr 3, 2019 9:34 AM # 
Ansgar:
I haven't gotten around to testing this, but automatic sync is something I've missed, so: thanks a lot, Ken!

Actually, I did install the app, but the infamous bleeding cobweb app followed soon after, so I'll switch phones first and test Suunto app later.
Feb 17, 2021 2:07 PM # 
Parkino:
Finally been shunted over to Suunto App, synching via Suuntolink on my laptop. Regarding your orginal question, Igor, I can report with some chagrin that exporting as .gpx is not possible, only to .fit. I'm on IOS so it may be different on Android. If anyone knows different, or has discovered a workaround, please let me know.
Feb 17, 2021 5:41 PM # 
Bash:
I was just looking into that after hanging on to Movescount for as long as I could! Luckily, we can get a .gpx file from Attackpoint quite easily.

Exporting a .gpx file from the Suunto app is supposedly possible but a bit awkward. From the documentation:
https://www.suunto.com/en-gb/Support/faq-articles/...
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Do you want to use the route or the recorded data you have in the Suunto app with another service?

You can export both the .gpx file (1) and the .fit file (2) of your training from the Suunto app.

1) Open your saved routes gallery and tap the Share button. Send the .gpx file to a friend, AirDrop it, save it to your Files, or your Google Drive. Additionally, you can go to your exercise, tap the "More" (three dots), and save the route to the gallery.
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I've tried this. Attackpoint doesn't recognize the .gpx file as a .gpx. Because I can get my Suunto app data into AP and generate a .gpx file from there, I haven't pursued it farther.

I have an Ambit3, and Suunto really doesn't care about older watches. In this case, it sounds like even people with newer watches are scratching their heads. If you look in Suunto forums, there are many unhappy people. Suunto was selling new Ambit3 watches on their website until very recently.
Feb 17, 2021 7:08 PM # 
ken:
The gpx file in question might be a route file, which is like a track but without timestamps. AP doesn't really know what to do with those.
Feb 17, 2021 7:26 PM # 
igor_:
Yeah, I switched to a Garmin since then due to satellite fixes not updating via the phone.
Feb 17, 2021 7:27 PM # 
Bash:
Thanks, Ken. Strava can't deal with Suunto's .gpx file either; it says it's an empty file.

So depending on what you want a .gpx file for, I guess you need to export your workout from the Suunto app to different training software (AP, Strava, Sporttracks, etc.) and get the .gpx from there.

Also awkward.
Feb 17, 2021 7:35 PM # 
Bash:
I think Garmin will get a lot of business from this. :( Having worked in software, I'm astonished that the transition has gone this badly for this long. It's been almost 3 years since the Suunto app was launched. There's been a lot of time to get it right. I'm also amazed that Suunto has been actively abandoning products while continuing to sell them. They keep offering loyalty discounts on their new watches every time they give us bad news, lol.
Feb 19, 2021 5:26 PM # 
Jagge:
I am not entirely sure but I think Suunto app's backend is sports-tracker.com or at least all my workouts show up there and I can export tracks as .gpx (edit -> export) with web browser.
Feb 19, 2021 6:57 PM # 
Parkino:
Thanks, guys. I use the gpx file for RG and Quickroute. So I need those time stamps, I think.

Jagge, are you saying that you upload via Suuntolink but can view your workouts via your sports-tracker account?
Feb 19, 2021 7:28 PM # 
Jagge:
I use suunto app on android, suunto 5, and workouts appear at my sports-tracker account. I believe suunto app and st websire use the same backend database.
https://www.suunto.com/en-us/Support/faq-articles/...

part of the same corporation, suunto app may well be developed by s-t developers

I don't use s-t website for anything, not even for gpx exports, becase AP. I just at some point noticed all of my workouts are there.
Feb 20, 2021 5:13 AM # 
Bash:
There is also a Sports Tracker app for the phone, just to confuse matters! As per Jagge's link, if you happen to use the same login credentials for the Suunto app and Sports Tracker, your workouts are synched. You can also upload your workouts to a bunch of other places - Strava, Training Peaks, etc. - but for that, you have to consciously choose to link.

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