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Discussion: Cadence

in: brycec; brycec > 2019-01-20

Jan 20, 2019 1:38 PM # 
Despite what many people say, it varies with the speed you are running. Mine is over 170 when running hard, but low 160’s when cruising. I’ve seen people claim that all top runners have cadence of about 180 regardless of oace, but they’ve also never studied those runners moving at a pace that is relevant to mere mortals.
Jan 20, 2019 1:48 PM # 
whilst im sure what you said is right the cadence was only part of the data presented it had to do with strick force and contact time both being too high and cadence being significantly too low like 130-140 from memory. 180 was the stretch goal 170 was the starting point.

And proof to the point its one of the first times I haven't had any shin pain post doing a run so hitting the ground less hard.

I suspect though my slower pace will certainly be lower.
Jan 21, 2019 12:27 AM # 
130-140 does sound low. Low 160’s when I’m cruising. Strike force and contact time too high probably = need to change foot placement so your impact point is more under your hips and less ‘out in front.’
That’s probably easier to focus on than cadence (which wiuld be improved at the same time anyway).
On the other hand, ground contact is what drives you forward... you can also reduce it in very unhelpful ways if you’re not technique-focused.
Jan 21, 2019 1:24 AM # 
yeah from memory foot was a little out in front but the main thing was I was really slapping the ground hard.

I can't find the stats but it was significantly harder than it should be. then when we played with the cadence everything came into balance. But posture which I need to get upper more forward which will bring lower back just not quite sure how to do that without feeling im leaning in massively. anyway its a start!
Jan 21, 2019 1:35 AM # 
Mine seems to be just under 160, now that I have a watch that measures it. From memory we had similar conversations about your cycling cadence, Bryce. You're just a bit of a grinder by nature...have you ever considered taking up WoW? :)
Jan 21, 2019 2:24 AM # 
Craig used to pay attention to cadence and I have never bothered. Just looked at my watch data and I seem to sit in the 170's. Low 170's running slowly and higher 170's running faster. Does make 130-140 sound low.
Jan 21, 2019 2:45 PM # 
well according to Garmin the cadence before going to physio on standard runs was 155-160 generally.... wonder how accurate it is compared to how physio measured.
Jan 22, 2019 12:15 AM # 
How did the physio measure? Running on a treadmill?
I would have thought it was a pretty simple measurement both for the watch and the physio...
Jan 22, 2019 1:21 AM # 
yes on treadmill but had a few device held to my legs with compression bands and then had a camera setup so that you could watch back and see the technique and then see the data hitting synced with the video so you could see the pressure as you struck and where you struck. so had side on and rear camera shots then we did a few different changes and could see the difference in the stats and on the video. was actually pretty cool. no surprise the left side is a little weaker than the right but only really came into play at full speed or once a bit fatigued and wasn't too bad.

The main thing was it was slow and really hitting the ground - was like i was trying to throw my leg forward and slap the ground.
Jan 22, 2019 7:34 AM # 
I don’t doubt the physio knew what they were doing. Jusr curious about the treadmill coz I know I run differently on the treadmill to flat ground (and differently on one treadmill to the next for that matter - I have seen video of myslef running at the same speed on 2 different treadmills where I am a clear heel striker on one video and clearly not on the other - I didn’t feel comfortable/coordinated on either).
Jan 22, 2019 12:28 PM # 
Mmm yeah that’s a fair point because I’m not a fan of treadmills either
Jan 22, 2019 12:29 PM # 
How about I follow you with my drone to video you while you run on an oval? Much more fun. :P
Jan 22, 2019 12:31 PM # 
Can do if you want slow motion footage without editing :)
Jan 22, 2019 2:19 PM # 
Nothing like a drone with razor sharp flesh eating propellers to give you a reason to run faster :P

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